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I still believe RedFireGaming’s claim, but why would scum leave him alive?

@RedFireGaming, why did you pick Blotunga to jail and not nmilllar who you had said at the end of the day was who you thought was scum? *THIS QUESTION IS FOR RED TO ANSWER PLEASE*
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blotunga: So you jailed me? I was going to breadcrumb it but ok, I can live with you coming out.
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GameRager: Well that makes 2 confirmations we can write off as NRA/town. Now to analyze the wagons.
Hey, did you just try to buddy up? Even if I were scum I would confirm Redfire sending me to the loo.

As for going back to analyze the wagons, I'll have time for that tomorrow, i hope.
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trentonlf: I still believe RedFireGaming’s claim, but why would scum leave him alive?

@RedFireGaming, why did you pick Blotunga to jail and not nmilllar who you had said at the end of the day was who you thought was scum? *THIS QUESTION IS FOR RED TO ANSWER PLEASE*
I still had some lingering unease. Day 1 looked like AgentCarr, SPF, and Blotunga couldn't be scum together, and I trusted Agent and SPF more. I'm reading both SPF and Blotunga as Town now, which leaves 4 players, 3 of whom are scum.

Nmillar's recent posts don't look pacifist. Klepto, maybe, but not pacifist.

GameRager's refusal to vote, paired with "I have a bad feeling about this" looks off. For now though, I'm going after the new guy. Micro had a few suspicious posts, but more importantly I'd like to get a read on his replacement.

Vote RWarehall
So, Micro, you had to leave on your first time as scum? Bummer.
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GameRager: Well that makes 2 confirmations we can write off as NRA/town. Now to analyze the wagons.
How exactly does blotunga being jailed clear him as Town?
Mod Question: If a Godfather were killed, would he flip as Godfather or normal NRA?

Similar question to Trent's, even as a Jailer, why are we sure RedFireGaming is town? Check the OP, "Alignment: Any" for the role. Not that I like him for scum, I don't, but I don't want to assume anything...
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RWarehall: Mod Question: If a Godfather were killed, would he flip as Godfather or normal NRA?

Similar question to Trent's, even as a Jailer, why are we sure RedFireGaming is town? Check the OP, "Alignment: Any" for the role. Not that I like him for scum, I don't, but I don't want to assume anything...
Gamerager is for sure jailer. I was sent to the loo during coffee break. So in my eyes he's 100% confirmed town.

Are you godfather?

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GameRager: Well that makes 2 confirmations we can write off as NRA/town. Now to analyze the wagons.
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trentonlf: How exactly does blotunga being jailed clear him as Town?
It doesn't.
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RWarehall: Mod Question: If a Godfather were killed, would he flip as Godfather or normal NRA?

Similar question to Trent's, even as a Jailer, why are we sure RedFireGaming is town? Check the OP, "Alignment: Any" for the role. Not that I like him for scum, I don't, but I don't want to assume anything...
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blotunga: Gamerager is for sure jailer. I was sent to the loo during coffee break. So in my eyes he's 100% confirmed town.

Are you godfather?

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trentonlf: How exactly does blotunga being jailed clear him as Town?
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blotunga: It doesn't.
Read the OP. Why are you so absolutely convinced he can't be scum who panicked and tried to use his real role as alignment confirmation when it isn't?
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blotunga: Gamerager is for sure jailer. I was sent to the loo during coffee break. So in my eyes he's 100% confirmed town.

Are you godfather?

It doesn't.
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RWarehall: Read the OP. Why are you so absolutely convinced he can't be scum who panicked and tried to use his real role as alignment confirmation when it isn't?
He claimed at L-1 in d1. That's why I backed off. He had a 10:1 chance of picking me as his target as jailor. I know for sure that I was jailed during the "night" phase. Ergo if he isn't my scumbuddy, he's town. And I'm town so he must be town.
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blotunga: He claimed at L-1 in d1. That's why I backed off. He had a 10:1 chance of picking me as his target as jailor. I know for sure that I was jailed during the "night" phase. Ergo if he isn't my scumbuddy, he's town. And I'm town so he must be town.
Your logic is poor...
None of that necessarily logically follows.

A scum on the ropes will say whatever he needs to. Furthermore, even if he is scum, that doesn't necessarily mean he would choose his scum buddy. A smart scum Jailer would pick someone else (knowing they aren't attacking him anyway).

But I do have a question for you. Are you absolutely certain you were jailed and not merely Roleblocked?

I'm just trying to separate actual facts from assumptions...
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blotunga: He claimed at L-1 in d1. That's why I backed off. He had a 10:1 chance of picking me as his target as jailor. I know for sure that I was jailed during the "night" phase. Ergo if he isn't my scumbuddy, he's town. And I'm town so he must be town.
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RWarehall: Your logic is poor...
None of that necessarily logically follows.

A scum on the ropes will say whatever he needs to. Furthermore, even if he is scum, that doesn't necessarily mean he would choose his scum buddy. A smart scum Jailer would pick someone else (knowing they aren't attacking him anyway).

But I do have a question for you. Are you absolutely certain you were jailed and not merely Roleblocked?

I'm just trying to separate actual facts from assumptions...
Please read the flavor from the OP. Roleblocker enthralls. I was sent to the loo by a prankster. I was jailed.
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RWarehall: Mod Question: If a Godfather were killed, would he flip as Godfather or normal NRA?

Similar question to Trent's, even as a Jailer, why are we sure RedFireGaming is town? Check the OP, "Alignment: Any" for the role. Not that I like him for scum, I don't, but I don't want to assume anything...
You are correct, I missed that. The Prankster can be any alignment, and all that does is open up a big can of WIFOM. Is he Town that was left alive to get a mislynch on or is he scum who really has this role and was hoping to get lucky and stop a Town PR.

The only thing I have right now for RedFireGaming is I see his play as Town leaning this game, I don't get much of a scum vibe from him.

Also, great to see you playing again!!
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RWarehall: Your logic is poor...
None of that necessarily logically follows.

A scum on the ropes will say whatever he needs to. Furthermore, even if he is scum, that doesn't necessarily mean he would choose his scum buddy. A smart scum Jailer would pick someone else (knowing they aren't attacking him anyway).

But I do have a question for you. Are you absolutely certain you were jailed and not merely Roleblocked?

I'm just trying to separate actual facts from assumptions...
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blotunga: Please read the flavor from the OP. Roleblocker enthralls. I was sent to the loo by a prankster. I was jailed.
Just making sure that was part of your actual flavor text and not another assumption on your part...
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RWarehall: Mod Question: If a Godfather were killed, would he flip as Godfather or normal NRA?
Flips include all role information.
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RWarehall: Mod Question: If a Godfather were killed, would he flip as Godfather or normal NRA?

Similar question to Trent's, even as a Jailer, why are we sure RedFireGaming is town? Check the OP, "Alignment: Any" for the role. Not that I like him for scum, I don't, but I don't want to assume anything...
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trentonlf: You are correct, I missed that. The Prankster can be any alignment, and all that does is open up a big can of WIFOM. Is he Town that was left alive to get a mislynch on or is he scum who really has this role and was hoping to get lucky and stop a Town PR.

The only thing I have right now for RedFireGaming is I see his play as Town leaning this game, I don't get much of a scum vibe from him.

Also, great to see you playing again!!
I think his town. He came out very quick with the information and without need. Which is likely also because he's not very experienced. I would have waited a while before revealing.

Now a quick summary, if I and Redfire are town, we have likely 3 scum in the following 5 people:
Spf, Gamerager, nmillar, trent, rwarehall. So which of you was it?
Why 3 scum? We already had a Neutral flip. Do you really think the game started with 6 town and 3 scum? Most likely 2 scum.

What's interesting here is it seems, assuming RedFire is town, all 3 major wagons ended up on Town/Neutral. Unfortunately, that makes analyzing them less fruitful as scum let us hang ourselves. They didn't push anything because they didn't need to.