Maybe Joe is scum, and voted me as a result. This moves him higher in my "Willing to lunch" chart

So my question are:

Why wasn't there a Night Kill? Presumably a Doctor self targeting? Did they go for someone quiet who held back?

Were Scum on Gamerager's wagon or did they see it building and distance themselves by sitting on wagons that were going nowhere? I actually thought the fact SPF didn't interract with Gamerager meant he probably wasn't Scum.

Why has Joe's wagon grown so fast? I was clearly in favour of it yesterday and it seems convenient 2 players have jumped on it today with discussing my speculation. Interestingly the 2 players who are on this wagon also came into hammer our Roleblocker. I know I did 2 and that's hypocritical because I believe Town should be responsible enough to hammer but why did they only come in at the end? I will go back and re-read.

Right now Microfish is my preferred choice because his play to me in this game is very different from his Town play. This maybe due to time constraints.

I'll vote after doing a re-read. The fact SPF died Day 1 instead of further into the game makes it difficult though.

Ha!

The flavor of this no-flavor game was better than the flavor is some flavor-heavy games. Well done, ZFR.

Also, sorry GR.

Also, lol @ no night kill.


How do you know it's a one-shot?


@Joe, was it really a one-shot? I'm really interested to hear if it was and of which variety.

Out of all the possible presumptions you made the one that is wrong?

Naturally.

I away from the game in the final hours (almost entire RL day really) of Yesterday so I'm not sure exactly how close to the deadline all of this happened but the hammer is by definition near the end as it triggers it. How close was it to the actual deadline?

By the looks of things Wyrm and Joe most likely cross-posted at the same time but how close to that was Micro's vote?

pretty much immediately.

I think there was less than half an hour before ZFR's deadline.




I am trying to overcome my frustration with bookwyrm - it has several layers.

- his saying blahblahblahblah and refusing to engage logically with me I did take personally, despite him telling me not to.
- it occurred to me at the time that it IS a game and lunch is part of the game, so maybe I should get over myself.
- when he ninja'd my hammer I looked derp
- when GameRager flipped town I got an overwhelming sense of injustice because I WAS RIGHT
- when dawn happened it occurred to me that GameRager could easily have bungled whatever it was prevented the kill tonight. So maybe bookwyrm was right after all. This hurts most of all.

I had a dream that bookwyrm had claimed "town strongarm" and it suddenly dawned on my that that wasn't possible and I'd solved it!! It was joyful and shortlived when someone pointed out that I hadn't read the rules properly or something. Anyway. I need to let this go.


I am assuming that bookwyrm's end-of-day behaviour means that he must be town. Is it the sort of thing he would do as mafia?


As for why I'm voting microfish? More on this story as it develops... (have to go do some work now, but no it's not based on night results and it's actually basically what supplementscene said that this doesn't seem like his town game. Usually he feels more concerned with who is the mafias, he has a sincere approach to scumhunting which isn't here.)



ANYWAY BOOKWYRM I'm going to stop feeling like you owe me an apology and... well carry on I guess.

okay really have to go now

Guys is this a coincidence? Joe predicted 2 Scumteam on Page 1 (OK Carr was SK and he couldn't know this) but is this distancing from Joe with SPF?

Is Microfish also Scum team Joe?

I know you do this every game role

Hammer was in the last hour and came from Microfish. Then a fair few minutes later Wyrm claims he's showing us how to hammer, which was odd. Then Joe comes to vote 2 votes after. Now those 2 posters may not have known the hammer had been dropped but if they did it's kind of like a desperate 'I better make it look like I was on the wagon and taking the game seriously'

As for my guess, I assumed Doctor was the only remaining role that could block Mafia NK. It sounds like you know differently and are hinting at a role?

By 'Self-Targeting' did you mean a doctor targeting themself? Because it's an odd thing to assume and it's also not possible in this set-up. I think that's what dedo means.

Well, his post also raised my eyebrows but then I figured "what if he's disputing the self-target claim"? So I went over to the setup page and looked at every spot where a doctor was mentioned. In the example PMs, it said the doctor can't self-target. Perhaps this is what dedo is aiming at.

Also yes, I can't help but find Joe to be playing weirdly. I expect the vote-after-the-hammer to be a blotunga thing, honestly.

They were the same time. I didn't see that bookwyrm had voted and then think "ah I'll vote too why not?"

You assumed that the Doctor protected himself which the rules strictly forbid.


Correct.


Correct.

Are those question marks at the end of my post??

They are but your question seemed to imply an answer.

WRONG again. We needed SIX to hammer, if you count votes, I was FIFTH, and BOOK was SIXTH.

I said much of yesterday that I did NOT like GR's playstyle; it was bad for town, and yet I recognized myself in parts of it. The unwillingness to start a train was not good. The final nail in the coffin was his statement that he'd played a Town Doc on this forum; I went thru the list of previous mafia games, and he was NEVER a town doc. This was either a) a lie (scum) or b)mis-remembering (town). The lie was more evidence than we had against anyone else.
I WANTED Scene's lunch; I said that from the end of D1 thru the near-end of D2.

I swapped BECAUSE 1) we were running out of time, 2) scene's wagon was going nowhere (had two votes--myself and GAMERAGER (TOWN-RB), 3) my second-fav (as mentioned previously) target was GR (due to aforementioned scummy-looking play), 4) GR lied-wittingly or un, 5) we needed something to analyze, and 6) see 1). If Pooka and a few others had jumped on scene, we could have probably lunched scene instead

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There was desultory talk; I pinged GR several times in the waning hours of D2 for his defense, showed him the charges he needed to refute, even what evidence he needed to present to clear himself; he did not. I had no choice but to believe him scum.
I figured it was time to gain the info, and as the others weren't doing so, I figured if I did, maybe one of them would too.

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Really? You didn't read the setup again? tsk, tsk, tsk.

And yet you voted in the aforementioned "Meta-scum-Position 4" The incredible, nearly unheard-of irony. Thank you for the chuckle.

Again, I said what I said earlier in this post--We were out of time. People have in turns preached, screamed, cajoled, encouraged, berated and even become upset about "no-lunch" EODs.
I also did not expect both Book & Joe to jump in; in fact, I didn't think Book would jump unless he could hammer. Thus, it was my responsibility to "vote for the scummiest-looking person who stands a chance of being lunched".

I don't recall you being in favor of Joe's wagon, maybe a reread will show it.

This. Is. Rich. We have played in one game together; I was town, you were scum. I have never played mafia as scum before--always town--and you have the audacious nerve to claim that this looks different from my town play. You don't even know all the facets of my town play. I even said last game that from then on my town play would be different due to not liking what my playstyle did to me the first game. IIRC, I said as much in this game. Your "previous experience pool" of my playstyle is 1-2 games, max.
Also, it should have been incredibly obvious to you that my vote on Joe's unexpected, unwarranted, and unprovoked OMGUS vote just now was in itself OMGUS. That you didn't pick up on it is...bad.

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So why not vote for Book? It seems your case is better against him than me.
In case you missed it the half-dozen times I've said it, I'll say it again and make it clearer. I said I would try to avoid my mistakes of previous games; ie tunneling, trying so hard my health suffered, etc. I have, I think. I hope.

Also, my grandparents had a major Wedding Anniversary during this game; as a family you always gather for 60+year anniversaries--at their age, who knows how many years they have left? This and other IRL stuff took up no little time.

Reading through the list of roles, 3 possibilites arise--1) we have a roleblocker of some sort--lower odds than GR being RB, but there. 2) we have a doc who protected the victim. 3) as it nearly happened in game 57, the mafia "bickered" amongst themselves so much, they ran out of time to decide what to do.

Bump please, maybe.

vote scene

poot