I'm...not sure what you were thinking with this? The Mafia Wiki is a great help to me as Town. If not role information, then the strategies involved in playing the game. As they say, knowledge is power. It isn't beneficial for Town to stay in the dark, and if getting out to the light involves reading the Mafia Wiki, then by all means.

I have read the posts since I last voted and don't see much has changed. I am actually surprised Joe didn't address my RVS vote on him...

Actually, scratch that. I see gogtrial has voted on Joe, and yet again Joe did not say a word, or at least that's what my second skimming showed me.

I'll move my vote to someone who was more or less interesting and continues to be interesting (even outside this game). I...

VOTE MICROFISH

Reading that as "all the potential roles they could be up against": That's the information you get when you skim the page. If you read it and think about what it means, you should be able to get a lot more.

At that level of reading comprehension, I also don't see why it would be more helpful for mafia to know what potential town roles could be in play, than it would be for town to know what potential mafia roles could be in play. Please clarify?

Honestly, mafia-me wouldn't even consider the possibility that fellow mafia could be unaware of these things.

You didn't address this. Can I safely assume that's deliberate?

That's twice you've clarified my thinking for me toward scene. Just looking out for your little bro, eh? And that on top of not giving any reaction to my vote...

Interesting that you named three names.

Whoops, I forgot.


Lies! I never killed you in the last game! Unvote me right now!

Oh wait...

Oh yeah... there can be between 2 and 4 mafias and between 0 and 1 serial killers.
But I'm probably right anyway


But who do you think the mafia are?

2 or 3 mafia, not 4.

For the glory? trent and/or blotunga. And Joe.

Not looking out for you; looking out for Supplementscene if anything.


Your vote makes sense and is vaguely reassuring. Why should I believe you when you say you're town? I shouldn't! Why should I vote blotunga without giving a reason?


Oop. right you are.

Oop. right you aren't.

(specifically about Joe being mafia. I don't know about trent and blotunga)

New Mafia players may make the mistake of drawing excessive attention to themselves in that role. I know I did in my last game. So if an experienced player Mafia randomly draws newbies he maybe tempted to coach them early. What better way than directing them to mafia wiki and asking them to view the roles.

I don't see how an SK will act particularly differently to Mafia. Obviously the SK can't afford to take one for the team and will generally be more agreeable. Generally Scum Hunting is looking for tells. Either a poster giving something away, not genuinely analysing the game, jumping on wagons at opportune times or being excessively agreeable. These are the traits a Mafia player or an SK player will display if a Town player can perhaps figure them out.

How do you think reading the set up helps town specifically, roles aside? Perhaps it can help a newbie Doctor or newbie Cop to keep themselves undercover but they may figure that out without reading the wiki. I still maintain the people who benefit the most are likely Mafia or SK players who can familiarise themsevles with Towns Roles.

Bother, I might believe you.

How does this specific page help you as a new town player though?

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=C9%2B%2B#Serial_Killer

I don't think it does. Generally understanding the Mafia roles doesn't help Town players. Mafia will kill Town players, well no suprise there. Mafia may have a roleblocker or cop of their own - that kind of only helps Cops/Doctors to keep under the radar and then they risk being figured out being cops/doctors and hence targeted.

Sure I could be reading too much into Gogtrials post but I partly think I'm onto something.

I've underlined a relevant portion of my post.

Questions to the mod in the game thread are fine, but don't be surprised if people question whether you are legit asking the mod something or whether you're trying to mess with player's heads (depending on the question). Just put everything relevant to the game in a thread created for the game (which thread(s) are open/closed will be noted by the mod) or in a PM to a mod.

Fight Club, Rule #1, etc.

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...not this again.

Go back and read the setup again, man.

...yes, this again.

Vote Scene.

*head desk*

This page helped me in figuring out that there can be such a player as a serial killer, and how they're a separate faction unrelated to mafia or town. In my first game (#59, Captain Sapphire THE MOVIE), I repeatedly brought up the idea that there could be a serial killer among us. I also learned that time that Town may have more to deal with than just the Mafia...

I'm still of the point that it helps both Mafia and Town. Think of it another way. This is a wiki dedicated to the game known as Mafia as a whole. Wouldn't it be strange if it only benefited mafia players and not town?

Is that a frustration vote, or do you see this coming from scum-scene?

Joe did ignore two of his votes, and I figured if two votes aren't enough to make him say anything useful, then I could move to another, likely more productive player.

I didn't even know Micro was going to be absent until tomorrow. He's currently on a Discord Secret Hitler game. Anyway, in the previous Mafia game, he was a flailing townie, despite his impressive performance in the game before that. With that said, I'm interested in seeing how he'd react to this RVS vote.