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I'm seeing threads around the interverse claiming games are being rejected based on the politics of their devs/authors. I've had my differences with Cleve, but rejecting Grimoire: Heralds of the Winged Exemplar is nothing short of retarded. If there is a game in existence that fits GoG, it's this game. Regardless of your political ideology (and if you have one, you are ignorant), we should agree that art can be independent from it's creator. If you have to agree with every creator then you are losing a universe of incredible works. That, and the practical fact that you lose half your customers when you choose a "side" (and again, if you have a "side" you suffer from ignorance). Can you imagine if I had to agree with Dali? The guy was an utter scumbag, but modern surrealism is awesome.
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It depends on your point of view. If you're pro-SJW you're in. If you're even partially objective or anti-SJW, consider your post or thread closed. Continue to contest the issue at your own peril.

GOG has clearly marked its territory and will pee-pee on anything that shifts the sands in the other direction.
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ah, the weekly "DAE GOG = SJWs hurr durr!" thread
Is that true though or are we slowly sinking into paranoia ?

While I don't like "SJW" in the slightest, I'd still like some proof to be given, and closing a thread isn't exactly one. With the amount of trolls and discussion going nowhere around here, it's very easy to derail at some point, that's hardly a political issue.

And what about games being rejected ? Do we now have an official explanation going further than "Too niche" ?
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XYCat: ah, the weekly "DAE GOG = SJWs hurr durr!" thread
So tell me exactly how you feel about hurr or durr. Is durr better than durr?
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Hal900x: rejecting Grimoire: Heralds of the Winged Exemplar is nothing short of retarded. If there is a game in existence that fits GoG, it's this game.
That's actually quite debatable. As far as I know, Grimore is a rather mediocre game and its developer is quite an asshole, who stirs controversy from time to time.

Apparently, GOG is just want to be on the safe side, thinking that potential profit doesn't outweight the risk. This is cowardly position, sure, but has little to do with politics or ideology.
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Hal900x: I'm seeing threads around the interverse claiming games are being rejected based on the politics of their devs/authors.
I"ve seen claims the earth is flat, aliens are real, and Justin Bieber is the bestest evar. People LOVE to make up empty claims about everything... any evidence for these claims?
If you have to agree with every creator then you are losing a universe of incredible works. That, and the practical fact that you lose half your customers when you choose a "side" (and again, if you have a "side" you suffer from ignorance). Can you imagine if I had to agree with Dali? The guy was an utter scumbag, but modern surrealism is awesome.
People don't have to reject those they disagree with, but neither do they have to accept them. In dismissing those who choose a "side", you yourself are taking a "side". Be careful not to elevate yourself too high.

I have no idea if gog is considering the character of creators when considering games, but shouldn't people look for evidence that such is actually going on BEFORE turning this into yet ANOTHER thing the internet gets all upset about based on absolutely nothing whatsoever? This isn't twitter people.
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BlueMooner: I have no idea if gog is considering the character of creators when considering games, but shouldn't people look for evidence that such is actually going on BEFORE turning this into yet ANOTHER thing the internet gets all upset about based on absolutely nothing whatsoever? This isn't twitter people.
Agree. After all, there are signs that Monster Prom 2 (by some people who identify themselves as SJWs) might not come to GOG either. It's not at the point that an official approval/rejection can be issued, but remember that the first game took six months to reach GOG. If GOG were to simply promote an ideology, wouldn't it want such an unabashedly progressive game as soon as possible?
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BlueMooner: I have no idea if gog is considering the character of creators when considering games, but shouldn't people look for evidence that such is actually going on BEFORE turning this into yet ANOTHER thing the internet gets all upset about based on absolutely nothing whatsoever? This isn't twitter people.
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Crisco1492: Agree. After all, there are signs that Monster Prom 2 (by some people who identify themselves as SJWs) might not come to GOG either. It's not at the point that an official approval/rejection can be issued, but remember that the first game took six months to reach GOG. If GOG were to simply promote an ideology, wouldn't it want such an unabashedly progressive game as soon as possible?
Haven't GOG already have Monster Prom?
I lost several IQ points reading a "strong implication" that GOG is any form of a SJW hotbed.

If you guys think that, you're mentally challenged. There are tons of SJW's and tons of conservatives here. Most of us keep our political opinions to ourselves because none of the rest of you gives a crap what any of the rest of us think. The real reason that most of the "conservative" thinking people got censored or in some cases banned, is because several of them were openly sympathetic towards white supremacists. And don't tell me they weren't because I remember those threads.

Think before you go accusing GOG of crap they're not guilty of. Every time one of you posts something stupid and ideological in a bad way, you're costing GOG money.
Post edited May 25, 2019 by CymTyr
If that were true I doubt GOG would have allowed the devs who made Hatred and IS Defense to release their latest game here.
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First, before discussing the accusation...

Could we look at social justice? IMHO the idea of social justice -- of a just society where people are treated as equals (an egalitarian society) and respected as equals -- is a good thing that should be striving for. No one wishes to be disrespected. No one wishes to be 3/4 of a human... or less. With that said...

... the problem with adding "warrior" to the idea of social justice is that a conflict is created -- a war. And in the unfortunate psychology of war, there is a side that's "right" and a side that's "wrong." So, instead of working toward change and a more fair, just, and equitable society, the social justice warrior fights a war to re-make society. And in a perfect recent example of the problem inherent in that thinking is... (I know this will sound corny to some)... Dany's fate in A Game of Thrones. Many Social Justice Warriors have become the very thing they fought against -- anger, division, intolerance, censorship, and pseudo-fascism. But, many social justice warriors are also young and do not see this horrible irony.

I am an artist, and while I certainly want an egalitarian society (and have marched for rights of the marginalized), I also believe 100% in a free society where tolerance of others' points of view is essential and respect of others is a close second. And the far Right doesn't get a pass here either. The fact that they are currently arguing for free speech doesn't let them off the hook for their part in creating this backlash through staunch ways that quite often defy logic (every action creates an equal and opposite reaction).

So, while the term "SJW" might be convenient to throw around, I hope that people will think for a moment about the deeper issue... and see that everyone needs to work toward respect, tolerance, and the middle. I certainly don't agree with everything I hear, but I tolerate it -- unless it is advocating violence againrt another.

So, is GoG being SJW or using SJW politics in their business dealings? It's possible. Although I think SJW politics is ultimately going to lose to openness and the middle, I see many video game companies not only bending to SJW criticisms but actively courting SJW players. If GoG had veered SJW, it wouldn't surprise me. But, over time the restrictive straightjacket of SJW politics is going to tighten and strangle game companies -- a few simple changes to accommodate SJW's will over time probably turn to outright draconian censorship. And seeing that true SJW's don't tend to buy many games, I see it as a problem now but not a problem down the road.

Lastly, I hope that those who feel diversity is always bad will accept change... and that both sides can accept that there's room for "toxic masculine" Conan (which is great BTW!) as much as FemShep. There's room for all of it -- just like a newstand where there are magazines for every taste... and no demand that every magazine be for every taste. Please don't make gaming reductive.

Sorry for the long post. Hoe it made sense.

Viva GoG
With the sharing of "form letter" style rejections to games, us GOG users are left with nothing but speculation as to the true reason games are rejected. Imo, it is not far-fetched to think that the decisions may have some type of basis in politics, or even just "avoidance of controversy". Without hard evidence as to specific reasons of why a certain game is rejected, or "too niche", we as customers really only have our own speculations and personal theories, which we are entitled to, but which may or may not be true. Myself, I still would love if Grimoire was available here and have voted for it on the wishlist. It really does not make logical sense to me why the recent batch of "simulator" games are not too niche, but a classic dungeon crawler RPG game is considered too niche. I don't think Steam reviews of a game are a valid metric to judge GOG's audience. In fact, I recall many times I have seen Steam users' positive reviews of games yet myself been utterly underwhelmed with the games in question.
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CymTyr: And don't tell me they weren't because I remember those threads.
Ok, we won't tell you the truth.
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kai2: First, before discussing the accusation...

Could we look at social justice? IMHO the idea of social justice -- of a just society where people are treated as equals (an egalitarian society) and respected as equals
Then why it is called "social justice" and not "equality of treatment" or egalitarianism? The answer is - "social justice" has nothing to do with equality or egalitarian society.
Post edited May 25, 2019 by LootHunter