It seems that you're using an outdated browser. Some things may not work as they should (or don't work at all).
We suggest you upgrade newer and better browser like: Chrome, Firefox, Internet Explorer or Opera

×
avatar
AlienMind: Userbase on OS X is far lower than Linux. I theorize. Because nobody track Linux users because of missing anal probes.
Well Gog can track then as they can know how many peoples download the Linux version of the games.

avatar
AlienMind: Also for a human trying to be responsible with his own data, after Windows 7 there is no other way than Linux.
Well you can just download a tiny freeware that disable 99% of Windows 10 telemetry features.

avatar
AlienMind: Well you can tell them Linux machines shift more data on the internet than the rest of the operating systems, so it's MAINSTREAM ALREADY.
No, having Linux on routers, headless servers or very specific technical uses is not "mainstream", the only mainstream Linux derivative you currently have is Android.
avatar
BKGaming: As said before, it's a chicken and the egg problem. Sometimes the old saying is true you got to spend money to make money... GOG can't hope to create a Linux market by not supporting it fully. At that point they have already failed anyway.
That's a little simplistic view it's not always that easy. Spending money and resources on something where you have no guarantee to ever get your investement back is a huge risk especially when said founds and resources could have been used elsewhere with a much better ROI. It's not "failling" to decide to not take that risk it's often a sound business decision.

Not to mention that Steam already spent quite a lot on Linux and, at least for the time being, with little significant results. Yes if GoG invested more they would probably have snitched a couple of percent of market share from Steam but it would have remained a very tiny fraction of the full user base.
avatar
Gersen: That's a little simplistic view it's not always that easy. Spending money and resources on something where you have no guarantee to ever get your investement back is a huge risk especially when said founds and resources could have been used elsewhere with a much better ROI. It's not "failling" to decide to not take that risk it's often a sound business decision.
No it doesn't but GOG decided to offer Linux support and is now not living up to that support. They want to offer it without investing anything into it and you can't have it both ways, that is doomed to fail.

avatar
Gersen: Not to mention that Steam already spent quite a lot on Linux and, at least for the time being, with little significant results. Yes if GoG invested more they would probably have snitched a couple of percent of market share from Steam but it would have remained a very tiny fraction of the full user base.
That is subjective. Valve believes that Linux is key to breaking away from of Windows and is plan B for when Microsoft tries to lock down Windows which is beginning to happen now with Windows 10 S. The past 4 years they have increased Linux support for gaming tremendously and have gotten many publishers on board with supporting it. The amount of Linux games increases every year, with this year outperforming the previous significantly.

In that sense, it has been a worth while investment. Valve is more than willing to play the long game when it comes to Linux.
avatar
darthspudius: A chunk of the issue isn't GOG, it's the over entitled Linux users. If you really want to game that badly, you'd use an OS that supports the main mass of games. Linux just isn't that. I couldn't blame GOG for not giving a shit about Linux.
Playstation 4 is based on BSD. -_-

apt-get upgrade your brain contents already.
avatar
Alm888: CORRECTION: Yes, immi101 is right, we should exclude mobile OSes and normalize the data. After that:
Windows: 88.00%
MacOS X: 6.61%
Linux: 5.39%

After GOG's popularity correction Linux is 0.54% (still bad).
10% world-wide are Linux users.
In a recent poll on Kerbal Space Program - its 23% percent. The Mac's are at 10%.
Post edited August 20, 2017 by Lin545
avatar
AlienMind: Userbase on OS X is far lower than Linux. I theorize. Because nobody track Linux users because of missing anal probes.

Also for a human trying to be responsible with his own data, after Windows 7 there is no other way than Linux.
avatar
CMOT70: If Linux users that I know in RL are anything to go by, if Linux suddenly started getting awesome support and compatibility, they would probably stop using it and find something new. It would become way to mainstream for them. Linux users revel in their persecuted minority status. The last thing they want is for their OS is for it to be in danger of becoming too popular.
avatar
AlienMind: Well you can tell them Linux machines shift more data on the internet than the rest of the operating systems, so it's MAINSTREAM ALREADY.

also, i find the latest blacklisting of urls and curse words in this forum childish. if you do that you just get an neverending spinner after "post my message". at least have the spine and display a message: your content was blocked or something.
And isn't Android Linux as well? But Linux in the context we're talking about is not mainstream and never will be.

Q: How do you know a Linux user is in the room?

A: He'll tell you.
avatar
CMOT70: Q: How do you know a Linux user is in the room?
A: The windows will be open and unlocked.
avatar
BKGaming: As said before, it's a chicken and the egg problem. Sometimes the old saying is true you got to spend money to make money... GOG can't hope to create a Linux market by not supporting it fully. At that point they have already failed anyway.
avatar
Gersen: That's a little simplistic view it's not always that easy. Spending money and resources on something where you have no guarantee to ever get your investement back is a huge risk especially when said founds and resources could have been used elsewhere with a much better ROI. It's not "failling" to decide to not take that risk it's often a sound business decision.
I can't disagree with that, but as a business owner myself I'll present the other side: while investing in the unknown does present the risk of a negative return, NOT investing guarantees zero return. If a lack of Linux-based Galaxy is increasingly a reason for "Then I may as well use Steam", then I think the decision is obvious.

----

I'm not a Linux expert in any way, shape, or form. But isn't Linux really expanding into devices other than PCs? Like it's the OS for stuff such as, I dunno, routers, cloud servers, etc., etc., etc.? Could have sworn I read here and there that tons of things use some form of Linux OS or kernel or whatever-the-hell. While it may be something of an oddity for PCs as far as the numbers go, is it really still hiding under a rock when looking at the big picture of electronic devices and systems? And wouldn't that likely translate to the PC side over some period of time?

----

Last, while I don't use that OS or this store's client, I hope that Linux is in the works for gOg and Galaxy. If it gives customers a reason to continue using this competing store, then overall it's a good thing for the marketplace - at least in some small way.
high rated
avatar
groze: So... what else is new? Isn't that all that Linux users do, slam people for the lack of Linux support?
Not always. Sometimes we get fed up and make it ourselves.
avatar
Lin545: 10% world-wide are Linux users.
In a recent poll on Kerbal Space Program - its 23% percent(sic). The Mac's are at 10%.
Nope. As Windows users say, it is just a "vocal Linux minority"™ taking polls while "silent Windows majority"™ (Windows users are always assumed to be silent) just ignores polls. For Kerbal, the correct results should be 0.23% for Linux and 99.0% for Windows if we count those who did not participate (and we can answer for them however we want ^‿^ ).
Post edited August 20, 2017 by Alm888
avatar
Lin545: 10% world-wide are Linux users.
In a recent poll on Kerbal Space Program - its 23% percent(sic). The Mac's are at 10%.
avatar
Alm888: Nope. As Windows users say, it is just a "vocal Linux minority"™ taking polls while "silent Windows majority"™ (Windows users are always assumed to be silent) just ignores polls. For Kerbal, the correct results should be 0.23% for Linux and 99.0% for Windows if we count those who did not participate (and we can answer for them however wwe want ^‿^ ).
Exactly this. Actually I sympathy with Linux users' hopes, but you can't claim an Internet poll with a sample size of 127 (which is already a sub-sample of "people who are registered in a certain Internet forum" and "people who are interested in voting in the poll") gives an accurate picture of the whole gaming world.
avatar
Gersen: That's a little simplistic view it's not always that easy. Spending money and resources on something where you have no guarantee to ever get your investement back is a huge risk especially when said founds and resources could have been used elsewhere with a much better ROI. It's not "failling" to decide to not take that risk it's often a sound business decision.
avatar
HereForTheBeer: I can't disagree with that, but as a business owner myself I'll present the other side: while investing in the unknown does present the risk of a negative return, NOT investing guarantees zero return. If a lack of Linux-based Galaxy is increasingly a reason for "Then I may as well use Steam", then I think the decision is obvious.
It is always easy to say from the outside that they should just invest some more money. But we don't know the financial constraints that GOG is operating under. The are situation where risking a failed investment simply becomes too risky. I don't think you can compare GOG to Valve, who are basically sitting in a pool of money and can invest time and money in whatever they find fancy at the moment. And when projects like the steam machines fail, then they simply shrug their shoulders and move on to something else.
Then you have to consider that there might be other avenues of investments that are more promising at the moment.
If you had to make a choice between expanding in the Chinese market vs. developing a Galaxy client for Linux, then you might argue that the former option will give you more user growth & ROI with less risk.

You can surely argue that not expanding into Linux is a missed opportunity, but since nobody here has any deeper insight into the company, it is really hard to speculate whether that is a bad management decision.

If you take their argument of constrained resources at face value (and considering how slow things move around here I'm inclined to believe it), then add the fact that Galaxy development goes way slower than expected with plenty of bugs left, then I have a hard time saying it is the outright wrong decision to concentrate resources on the windows/osx development instead of pulling resource away to jump start the development on Linux.
avatar
Gersen: That's a little simplistic view it's not always that easy. Spending money and resources on something where you have no guarantee to ever get your investement back is a huge risk especially when said founds and resources could have been used elsewhere with a much better ROI. It's not "failling" to decide to not take that risk it's often a sound business decision.
avatar
BKGaming: No it doesn't but GOG decided to offer Linux support and is now not living up to that support. They want to offer it without investing anything into it and you can't have it both ways, that is doomed to fail.
you are being unreasonable.
They still offer the exact same amount of Linux support that they offered the past years. Preparing Linux installers and providing tech support for Linux doesn't happen by magic, they still have to put money into that.
What they don't do is expanding their Linux support and investing _MORE_ into it. And it is absolute okay to criticize that.
But it is an overreaction to act as if they had just ditched all Linux support.
avatar
immi101: you are being unreasonable.
Aren't we all...

avatar
immi101: They still offer the exact same amount of Linux support that they offered the past years. Preparing Linux installers and providing tech support for Linux doesn't happen by magic, they still have to put money into that.
What they don't do is expanding their Linux support and investing _MORE_ into it. And it is absolute okay to criticize that.
That may be true... but they seem to only be doing the bare minimal to offer what little support they do provide. It took years of asking for Linux support before GOG finally gave in (and only after Steam started to offer it by the way). CD Projekt also has a history with Linux users, not providing Linux support for Witcher 1 or 3 after 2 got panned for horrible performance at release.

My comment about "not investing anything into it" was in relation not providing equal support to all platforms so they aren't "living up to that support". But yes you are correct that they do at-least invest in installers and tech support.

avatar
immi101: But it is an overreaction to act as if they had just ditched all Linux support.
I'm not acting like they have ditched Linux support, I'm acting like that aren't providing equal support when compared to other platforms to which they sell games because they clearly aren't.

Market share should have no influence on the amount of support a platform receives, not when you are taking money from consumers who expect that they will get equal treatment and developers who depend on that support to offer games for sale. In being a distributor that is GOG's job. Without Galaxy support on Linux, Linux users aren't getting the games other platforms are getting, they aren't getting access to new features, games may be released with missing features like online MP when compared to other platforms, developers can't utilize Galaxy features in their games on Linux, and consumers on Linux get slower patches because devs can't push patches to Linux users like they can on other platforms.

It creates a tiered level of support where Linux users are second class to Windows and Mac users.
Post edited August 20, 2017 by BKGaming
avatar
HereForTheBeer: I can't disagree with that, but as a business owner myself I'll present the other side: while investing in the unknown does present the risk of a negative return, NOT investing guarantees zero return. If a lack of Linux-based Galaxy is increasingly a reason for "Then I may as well use Steam", then I think the decision is obvious.
avatar
immi101: It is always easy to say from the outside that they should just invest some more money. But we don't know the financial constraints that GOG is operating under. The are situation where risking a failed investment simply becomes too risky. I don't think you can compare GOG to Valve, who are basically sitting in a pool of money and can invest time and money in whatever they find fancy at the moment. And when projects like the steam machines fail, then they simply shrug their shoulders and move on to something else.
Then you have to consider that there might be other avenues of investments that are more promising at the moment.
If you had to make a choice between expanding in the Chinese market vs. developing a Galaxy client for Linux, then you might argue that the former option will give you more user growth & ROI with less risk.

You can surely argue that not expanding into Linux is a missed opportunity, but since nobody here has any deeper insight into the company, it is really hard to speculate whether that is a bad management decision.

If you take their argument of constrained resources at face value (and considering how slow things move around here I'm inclined to believe it), then add the fact that Galaxy development goes way slower than expected with plenty of bugs left, then I have a hard time saying it is the outright wrong decision to concentrate resources on the windows/osx development instead of pulling resource away to jump start the development on Linux.
I can't disagree with any of that. I was mostly talking about the "cost" of not moving the income needle by not even trying. Basically risk of loss or chance of gain, versus the guarantee of no gain (and no direct loss from a failed endeavor). As an outsider it feels like Linux is gaining exposure not just in PCs but also in other realms, so at some point it's going to be too big to ignore.

And yeah, we don't know. Nearly all of these conversations are speculation. "What they SHOULD do is..." haha - not so easy. And it's not an easy thing to pursue every single opportunity. Goodness knows I pass up potential profit avenues here and there, because reasons.

That said, I do suspect it's being worked on. gOg seem to be pretty mum on this type of stuff until they have something to actually show the customers, so I'm guessing the investment is being made now and it will be announced with great fanfare and a big fat sale, along with plenty of bitching by us - because that's what we do. ; )
avatar
Pangaea666: Have said this before and will gladly say it again. I'm glad GOG isn't prioritising pushing galaxy down the throats of their Linux users too. For now, we are free of that madness.
But they are pushing it on developers. And in result we are missing Linux games here on GOG. I.e. Galaxy is causing a concrete damage already. Vikings - Wolves of Midgarrd is a recent example.

avatar
qwixter: How big of a sales percentage do you think linux is for gog?
No one knows but GOG. They never published any numbers. But according to actual developers, overall Linux sales can be around 2-4% for their specific titles.

avatar
qwixter: How big of a sales percentage do you think linux is for gog?
avatar
Alm888: Without a clue, given that I don't have access to GOG's confidential data. All we have are those two numbers (2.01% and 1.64% for Mac and Linux respectively).
Where are those numbers from? I don't think GOG ever published anything of that sort.
Post edited August 21, 2017 by shmerl