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Caesar.: You are giving a disproportionate importance to a specific piece of evidence without questioning it because it fits your expected results
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professional statistical study
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I don't know how to keep debating without repeating what I have already said. I have never enjoyed neverending quote wars. I think at this point we can assume no one is going to change the other's views.
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Lin545: What do you mean with "giving disproportionate importance"? There is one poll, I shared its results, thats it. You covered it with validity bias, like "it must be Linux users sturming over it, because I think so (aka common sense)". Thats same for someone to claim Web statistic is sturmed by Windows users on purpose.
You feel passionate about a certain topic. You find a piece of evidence that apparently confirms your expected results, so you accept it without questioning its validity, and disregard the rest. That's confirmation bias.

I never claimed to know why the amount of Linux users is so big in that poll (although experience tells us possible reasons). It's a futile exercise. You can't extract accurate conclusions from that online poll.

You mention web statistics. They can be used to obtain accurate results, because they don't work anything at all like an online poll. They collect data from every single user (and if they can't collect it from a specific user, it is stored as "unknown/no data" and taken into account). But the statistics refer only to the visitors of the website that is collecting thedata. Without proper research, you can't assume that the visitors of the website represent a whole fanbase.
What really furiates me is the fact they dont even provide linux users with a simple downloader at least. There doesnt even exist something like GOGDownloader does for windows. There are solutions to this like lgogdownloader, but come on. Is it really that much to ask for? Or we can stick to downloading through browser which is terribly slow, at least for me...
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vrick: There are solutions to this like lgogdownloader, but come on. Is it really that much to ask for?
lgogdownloader is great and quite likely better than anything gog could produce. Same probably goes for gogrepo.py.
It is time to get something done for linux... sth. like a very shrinky cli tool pendant to steamcmd... where you can download stuff which is in your libary. Create some packages for easy install on linux-derivates.
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What comes to Photoshop there really isn't a free application that is as advanced as it is, especially if you need a package that has all built in. You can get all the features PS has, but for that, you'd have to use multiple apps.

Krita is great software though, one I appreciate far, far above GIMP. And if your aim is mainly digital painting, then Krita is more than adequate alternative even to something like Painter.


Harrumph... I didn't notice this thread was already almost ancient.
Post edited September 03, 2018 by tomimt
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tomimt: What comes to Photoshop there really isn't a free application that is as advanced as it is, especially if you need a package that has all built in. You can get all the features PS has, but for that, you'd have to use multiple apps.

Krita is great software though, one I appreciate far, far above GIMP. And if your aim is mainly digital painting, then Krita is more than adequate alternative even to something like Painter.


Harrumph... I didn't notice this thread was already almost ancient.
Hi Tom! And yes, it is quite baffling that this thread was dragged back to life. I'd absolutely be fine wiith GOG locking my threads after a year of inactivity. (Actually, I'd be fine with 90 days.)
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gogtrial34987: If you have specific games you want to play, the situation with being able to do so under Linux is indeed still pretty uneven. But if you're a Linux user, and just want to play good games (without caring too much about which specific games those are), then you're more than spoiled for choice. GOG currently lists 721 Linux games, while the humble store has 755 DRM-Free Linux games available. Sure, that has different versions and DLC and everything thrown in, but it's still a staggering amount of games to be able to choose from. Even if you're incredibly picky with what games you like, there's many years of worthwhile gameplay to keep you entertained, and new games with Linux support coming out at a faster rate than you'll be able to play them.

Would I like GOG to do even more for supporting Linux? Absolutely!
Would I like every game which catches my interest to support Linux out of the box? Totally!
Do I feel underprivileged, and desire to 'slam' gog and game developers for not doing enough? No way! As a Linux user, the situation might not be perfect, but it's definitely more than good enough, and if there's some game developers which just don't want my money - oh well, that's tough luck for them, and makes my job with picking my next game slightly easier.
Pretty much this. I'm not exactly starving from a lack of good games to play under Linux.

Would be cool if all the interesting releases I see supported Linux out of the gate, but I'm not gnawing my nails and impatiently waiting for the next Linux release.

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Alm888: I'd say, GOG has lost Linux market to Steam plain and square. This article gives us 81.1% of Steam being most used store and only 16.2% for GOG. Even Humble Store beats GOG (30.8%) nearly twice! And with this news regarding Galaxy… you know, Linux gamers are rather riled up (some are really fuming :) ).
Honestly, I don't fully understand 50% of the outrage.

Complete lack of Linux support (ie, Steam supporting Linux for a title, but not GOG or GOG updates lagging in relation to other stores), I totally get.

Lack of cloud save, I get somewhat (it's an itch I've had lately, more generally and backing up the meaningful statefulness of my machine including, but not limited to savegames in a well isolated manner without having to backup the entire system, though I'm ever so slowly doing something about it: https://github.com/Magnitus-/flover).

The rest, meh.

I don't think the Windows Galaxy client is backing up game installers (the one feature I'd really want out of such a client).

For achievements, I'll be a bit politically incorrect and claim (my personal opinion) that those who are looking for meaningful gratification (as in, they achieved something) out of gaming besides fun need to re-examine their lives (unless they are making games of course, that is a different story).

For multiplayer, the kind of multiplayer galaxy enables tends to be the kind where you play with strangers across the internet. Would have been great (and actually, it was great) in my teens and early twenties. Now, I no longer have the time.

If I want to game socially, I'll call my buddies over to do some LAN gaming and hit two birds with one stone (ie, game and socialize with my RL friends). Galaxy wouldn't help me there.
Post edited September 04, 2018 by Magnitus
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mfg42: It is time to get something done for linux... sth. like a very shrinky cli tool pendant to steamcmd... where you can download stuff which is in your libary.
LGOGDownloader - GOGDownloader for Linux

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mfg42: Create some packages for easy install on linux-derivates.
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Enjoy ;)
Post edited September 04, 2018 by vv221
It will be interesting to see what happens next year when Windows 7 reaches the end of it's life. There still many people out there not moving over to Windows 10. Could some of them be thinking of jumping over to Linux I wonder? I know, as a Windows 7 user, that I have been thinking of this myself and so far have been trying out Linux Mint XFCE to begin with. For me, being very new to Linux, its quite a learning curve which is why I picked Mint as my first go at Linux. So far so good. Got some older games to run but many others are beyond me at present. They need dependances, heavy use of Wine Tricks and so forth. I will get there in the end but it would be nice GOG if you could help in some way, make it easier to run your games on Linux. But I wouldn't know how to go about it. A dedicated version of Galaxy for Linux perhaps or installers that have all they need to run the game? Maybe somethings like that could work. I do know that I am not keen to move on to Windows 10. I tried it, I hated it, so I can see my main OS being Linux based in the future.
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Geraldine: It will be interesting to see what happens next year when Windows 7 reaches the end of it's life. There still many people out there not moving over to Windows 10. Could some of them be thinking of jumping over to Linux I wonder? I know, as a Windows 7 user, that I have been thinking of this myself and so far have been trying out Linux Mint XFCE to begin with. For me, being very new to Linux, its quite a learning curve which is why I picked Mint as my first go at Linux.
You (and/or anyone else new to Linux or considering it) might find it helpful to check out my Linux Mint beginner's guide :)

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Geraldine: So far so good. Got some older games to run but many others are beyond me at present. They need dependances, heavy use of Wine Tricks and so forth. I will get there in the end but it would be nice GOG if you could help in some way, make it easier to run your games on Linux. But I wouldn't know how to go about it. A dedicated version of Galaxy for Linux perhaps or installers that have all they need to run the game? Maybe somethings like that could work. I do know that I am not keen to move on to Windows 10. I tried it, I hated it, so I can see my main OS being Linux based in the future.
Install my common dependencies meta-package to install the dependencies that you're most likely to need - that along with the usual system/driver updates is enough for most native games to "just work" :)

I also make Wine/Proton wrappers for some Windows games, which can be found here: https://www.gog.com/forum/general/adamhms_linux_wine_wrappers_news_faq_discussion/post1
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Geraldine: It will be interesting to see what happens next year when Windows 7 reaches the end of it's life. There still many people out there not moving over to Windows 10. Could some of them be thinking of jumping over to Linux I wonder? I know, as a Windows 7 user, that I have been thinking of this myself and so far have been trying out Linux Mint XFCE to begin with. For me, being very new to Linux, its quite a learning curve which is why I picked Mint as my first go at Linux.
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adamhm: You (and/or anyone else new to Linux or considering it) might find it helpful to check out my Linux Mint beginner's guide :)

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Geraldine: So far so good. Got some older games to run but many others are beyond me at present. They need dependances, heavy use of Wine Tricks and so forth. I will get there in the end but it would be nice GOG if you could help in some way, make it easier to run your games on Linux. But I wouldn't know how to go about it. A dedicated version of Galaxy for Linux perhaps or installers that have all they need to run the game? Maybe somethings like that could work. I do know that I am not keen to move on to Windows 10. I tried it, I hated it, so I can see my main OS being Linux based in the future.
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adamhm: Install my common dependencies meta-package to install the dependencies that you're most likely to need - that along with the usual system/driver updates is enough for most native games to "just work" :)

I also make Wine/Proton wrappers for some Windows games, which can be found here: https://www.gog.com/forum/general/adamhms_linux_wine_wrappers_news_faq_discussion/post1
WOW! :o
The Dependencies especially were giving me bother so I will start with your pack of them. Many thanks!
Post edited August 25, 2019 by Geraldine
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Alm888: Nope. As Windows users say, it is just a "vocal Linux minority"™ taking polls while "silent Windows majority"™ (Windows users are always assumed to be silent) just ignores polls. For Kerbal, the correct results should be 0.23% for Linux and 99.0% for Windows if we count those who did not participate (and we can answer for them however we want ^‿^ ).
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Lin545: 23% for Linux right there, in the public poll on very popular game, posts from active members with verifications.

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Caesar.: Exactly this. Actually I sympathy with Linux users' hopes, but you can't claim an Internet poll with a sample size of 127 (which is already a sub-sample of "people who are registered in a certain Internet forum" and "people who are interested in voting in the poll") gives an accurate picture of the whole gaming world.
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Lin545: Yes, we can and its accurate. One quarter of user base. Its not "hopes", its hard facts.
If more users with linux weighed in overall then the results will be skewed.....i.e. cherrypicked data.

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Caesar.: That's not how Statistics works. What that poll tells is that 23% of the people who have an account on that forum and chose to answer the poll (29 people) use Linux. You can't extrapolate the results to the whole userbase with that methodology.
Dammit...ninja'd. :)

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Caesar.: Again, that's not how it works. Statistics is a science bssed on maths, not opinions. You can't infer those conclusions with that poll alone.

You also disregarded WinterSnowfall's well-informed post about the importance of distribution for no reason at all.
He likely did such because of cognitive dissonance.....the poll makes a good case(if taken on faith and without other studies) for things he believes in/wants to be true and it's hard for him to admit faults in it.
Post edited August 25, 2019 by GameRager