Retraction: I mentally ran back through recent events, and I realized Trent isn't actually responsible for flushing out a lot of these visitation claims. I was wrong on that point and I apologize.

Well, I'm not really sure where to go from here. I find trent's explanation at least plausible, although I lean heavily towards him being the more likely scum if we're to choose between him and Dedo.

So, for the time being and in hopes of hearing what everyone else has to say first, I'm not going to place a vote on him (yet).

flubbucket: Did yog ask you to edit post 508? I don't remember what was written there.

Leonard: I know it's most likely for RL reasons, but you've contributed very little this game thus far. You're going to have to start posting some more substantive things or I'm going to have to vote for you (perhaps not today, but some time in the near future).

Thank you for the kind word, my friend, but I can't buy that reasoning. Adalia basically pointed me as one of his top two scum picks initially and even though his opinion of me improved very slightly I was never the most popular of townies around here. After all I was one of the more vocal people on his wagon, jumping on and off, and whatnot. There was no way I was getting killed by scum tonight and you should know that.

And after all the asking around of who experienced what and having prolonged discussions with people about this you decided that a noise causing your character to unsheathe his weapon was nothing at all?

I was trying to not discuss my night action since I was protecting someone. You seem to think you're catching scum today and if you are killed tonight it was worth it. Sadly you're wrong and if my lynch happens town will be down a role cop, a bodyguard, and a tracker. 4 town dead in two days. Sure hope town is able to pull out win, but my hopes are not very high it will happen.

This is a good point. I would have been more concerned if Trent said he was inspecting me for being scummy rather than protecting me because scum were out for my blood.

1) I had you strong town, but then I'm usually in the minority on my opinions (I think I was the only one who had Agentcarr as strong town last game), and I agree with you that you generated enough FoS down the stretch I wouldn't have expected you to be hit. But the point is a bit ambiguous for a few reasons.

2) I think this is the more salient point. Admittedly I just woke up, but I'm really not getting why Trent concealed that. If he's town, I'm not sure what he loses by saying he was tracked regardless of whether tracker is town or non-town. Easier to make sense of the move if he's not town.

More generally, Trent's insistence that someone wouldn't know they're protected can be WIFOMed to either conclusion (either a true claim, or an anticipated claim he's been setting up), but he wasn't investigated as far as anyone else knows, so whether he's telling true or not, he has to know that at least for D2 the claim he's making is a safe one.

I'm going to suggest two alternative strategies just for discussion - at this point I'm not advocating either, just wrestling with the pros/cons: [Edit - I decided not to suggest the second for now]
A) Mass claim. Even before the claim we had as many as 4 night actions on the table, at least some of which were certainly town. Add in Trent's claim of protecting and dedo's tracking and we have as many as 6 out of the pool of 11. If we're not doing it D2, it seems inevitable that it will happen D3.

And RW isn't around to suggest that it's "the strong town play but no fun."

Well, I didn't discuss my night action neither when I said someone searched my bag. I don't see how one is connected to the other. You just tell about the one thing and keep quite about the other. Simple as that. But let's go the other way around. If discussing nightly experiences introduce a such high risk of accidentally disclosing nightly action/abilities why were you in so much favor of people sharing? What if they spilled the beans in the process?

I did all-in so I'm hoping for the best, yes, but it will be worth it only if it results in a scum lynch. Anything else is a failed bet regardless of whether or not I survive the night.

I hate to say it was a fail then. Someone is either lying their ass off about last night or this game is as twisted as last one and town is screwed anyway.

No. Give scum a list of targets which they can work through sequentially by importance? Just no! This would ensure a scum win and it is a very strange thing to suggest for town! I will keep this in mind that you suggested an early mass claim!

But for now I think it is more important to resolve the trent/dedo issue and I see only one way to really solve it. Trent entangled himself more and more and I think we have a very good chance of hitting scum with him. Or, if he, against all appearances, should turn out town, then it is quite likely that dedo was lying. So we do have a sensible way to proceed.

Care to explain again, why we would need something as drastic as a mass claim now? Why would you want to deliver our protective role(s) and after that, our investigator(s) to scum on a silver platter?

I will flip town, but I also think you're wrong about dedo when I do. Pretty sure dedo is town too and all you are doing by saying he is scum when I flip town is giving scum a lynch target for tomorrow. I have no proof he is town, but his actions and behavior this game are enough to convince me he is.

YOGSLOTH IS MODERATO BASTARDO!!!! GAME IS SCREWED - ALL IS LOST - WE ARE DOOMED!!!

FLING POO

FLING POO

On a lighter note, I now have internet access at work. Hurrah for things!!
yes.

politically correct Nancy boys....

Ah, I see.

Well, as long as I have your attention: Were you being serious about the fact that you had your brain rummage through last night?

yes.

Although a zombie would have left hungry, this player left with knowledge about me.

Wait, you're giving me trouble for this, but not flub? Uh, ok.


Whoa! Two claims already. I think it is pretty clear who is lying though. I would say that trentonlf is the scum role cop and he investigated dedoporno last night. Thus dedoporno's bags being rooted through, and dedo tracking him. He then had to claim something that would give a good reason for visiting dedo, which was bodyguard. Lifthrasil claims that he was protected last night though. Two protective roles? I think not. Also his stats seem pretty high. Dedo's come out to 17, adalia's come out to 14, RWarehall's come out to 21, cristigale's was also 21, and trentonlf's come out to 25.
I am convinced enough to Vote: trentonlf.


This does not seem like a good idea, like at all. We have no role cop anymore so scum could theoretically all claim vanilla and we couldn't trip them up. Plus we would probably lose our good roles pretty quickly.