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bler144: Claimed or confirmed actions received N1:
Leon: Slept/Role Blocked
Dedo: Bag Searched/Pilfered
QA: Bag Searched
Hijack: Brain scan
Flub: Brain scan
RW: rock on head
Basically half of us were visited by the other half which sounds totally legit :D I'm pretty sure at least some of these are bogus but who knows... We'll have to see about that.

Anyway, I was hoping things will go that way on their own but I guess it's better to give them a little nudge and up the ante, since I may not be around long enough to share later on.

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trentonlf: Nothing was picked on my end. Nothing at all happened last night for me.
Sorry, my friend, but I don't believe you.

I wouldn't have done this if you have told the truth but since you withheld it for no apparent reason I believe this is the correct course of action.

Claim time!

I am Lailia Sharpeye. An Elf Archer. Also the Town Tracker.

STR 4 / AGI 2 / CHR 4 / INT 7

As you may see I'm a somewhat clever bastard, but ironically my agility is low as f*ck. Which brings a little side effect. When I track people they see me. They can't recognize me (I wear a SKI MASK!) but they do see someone is there. I don't know if the target knows they are being tracked or just being visited in some way but they definitely know someone was there.

Trent said nothing of importance happened. Yet it did, since I was there, tracking him. I stumbled over a rock, made a noise and he heard me. Drew his dagger and shit but I escaped back into the shadows.

Why I went for him? As I told Adalia at one point I agreed with one of the people on his list. There wasn't a very good reason about it, I just couldn't shake the feeling Trent is mafia this time around. And by the end of the day when people started to have second thoughts about Adalia Trent continued to push for his lynch because a townie sacrificing himself in such a way is not a townie thing to do. There were other legit reasons to go after Adalia (he still may have been scum, he was vanilla at worst and the least risky option in the end, etc.) but Trent's reasoning was almost like a punishment and that isn't a very townie thing to do, either. Also, in the space game there was a similar detection of a night visit by Trent and he shared it right away back then and he was the only one. There was no pressure for him to give any kind of info but he shared it and we used it in some way (he was Town then) so I expected him to do it again this time which he didn't.

Moving on. The tracking result is even more interesting. Trent visited me.

I was rather skeptical of sharing all this at first since he may have been some fellow supporter role but the fact that he was so pro sharing of nightly experiences (in this game and in the space game) and explicitly said nothing happened to him, and my pack being rummaged through I believe it's more likely it's the other way around. And since I'm not sure if he was the one who picked info on me or someone else who may be scum I'd rather do it now than never with this information lost.

And by the way they stole my "Elf Direction" elf band sticker and some coloring book (I know, I know).

So

vote trentonlf
Trentonlf: I eagerly await your response, sir.

HijacK: Telekinesis you say? I demand to know who let Uri Geller into the dungeon this instant!

Would telekinesis really fit in with the game's flavour, though?
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CSPVG: Would telekinesis really fit in with the game's flavour, though?
With yog modding?
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JMich: With yog modding?
Well, it's all been fairly magic orientated (while still being jokey). I think HijacK was joking, more than anything, really. It just struck me as a very specific sort of suggestion.
Having thought about it, I guess you could say that telekinesis is magical. I still think it's an oddly specific suggestion, though. Why not suggest that it was done through something like conjuration or sorcery.

Perhaps I'm just making something out of nothing.
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trentonlf: You knew that when the game started did you not, it's not the same as someone like a doctor protecting someone at night. If a doctor protects someone the person they protect never knows.
Never? You sound awfully sure of that! So either you have more information than we do, or you are attempting misdirection. You know, in standard Mafia games, the target of investigative roles 'never' knows, it is being investigated. But in this game apparently we get information when we are targeted by (some) night actions. So how can you be so sure, that Yog didn't apply the same rule change to protective roles too?

But no matter whether the example was well chosen or not, I do agree on Bookwyrms argument here: it would be good for scum and therefore bad for town if the presence and number of protective roles were known. Revealing the presence of a second role cop is different. Since the second role cop is most likely scum, it is vital for town to know it is there. And scum doesn't learn anything new from the reveal, since they already know they have a role cop and whom he visited. But protective roles are town. The only one interested in finding them is scum. So the town thing would be to keep any information about protective roles secret. That you disagree on that makes you look quite suspicious.


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dedoporno: I am Lailia Sharpeye. An Elf Archer. Also the Town Tracker.
Wow! We have our first claim on Day 2. And also we have our first direct conflict. One of you two is lying. So most likely (at least) one of you is scum. Either dedo is trying to discredit trent - or trent made a big slip up with his statement that nothing special happened to him in the night. Or yogs is messing with all of us and is handing out conflicting information - which would be bastard modding and which I therefore don't believe.

So for me it is sure that at least either dedo or trent is scum (or both and one is bussing the other or they are from different scum teams) and the only question at the moment is: whom do I trust more (or mistrust less). And with trents questionable arguments discussed above, I have to say it looks bad for trent at the moment. I am eagerly awaiting his reply, but meanwhile:

unvote flubbucket
vote trentonlf


Something different: sure, a telekinesis spell as murder weapon might be possible too. I didn't think of that.
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Lifthrasil: ......<SNIP>........

So for me it is sure that at least either dedo or trent is scum

......<SNIP>........
Because of this reason:


Vote: trentonlf
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QuadrAlien: Hmm. This business about mind reading. Could HijacK have potentially been RWarehall's target last night rather than Dedoporno or myself? I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm not certain that rummaging around in people's packs is terribly Cleric-esque behaviour. I suppose it depends on the god in question, but still.
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bler144: Caught up I think, though haven't had a chance to go back to D1 and look at why RW might have been the NK. Someone suggested he wouldn't reveal much to town, but he actually said quite a lot in a short time.

QA's point is very interesting and strikes me as insightful, though if Flub is also telling true could be Flub was RW's target. Also curious that dedo had items stolen but it appears QA didn't lose anything (indeed, gained some material that could be useful for making gunpowder after the invention of chemistry)?

On the theft point, I had considered it possible that if the setup were 9v3v1 that the 1 was a Gollum-inspired role which would fit with pilfering. That said, other than Yog/Cristi's role, not much else has seemed LOTR-ish.

Not sure what to make of the number of claimed visits. Possible the visitation claims are correct and some of the investigators are incompetent and don't know it?

Anyway, until I get home that's about the best I can do. Should be home in ~4 hours.
1) a Gollum-inspired role is quite specific. And yet not unbelievable.

2) What would an incompetent investigator look like?? Would that make for failed investigations or a lack of covert in their actions??
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flubbucket: 2) What would an incompetent investigator look like?? Would that make for failed investigations or a lack of covert in their actions??
I can see myself as kind of incompetent since my tracking is always detected, even though the actual trait is not specifically listed in my role name.
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dedoporno: I don't know if the target knows they are being tracked or just being visited in some way but they definitely know someone was there.

Trent said nothing of importance happened. Yet it did, since I was there, tracking him. I stumbled over a rock, made a noise and he heard me. Drew his dagger and shit but I escaped back into the shadows.

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Moving on. The tracking result is even more interesting. Trent visited me.
Wow. Okay then. Considering we've got numerous other instances in this game where players know they've been targeted, I'm inclined to believe Dedo on this. If everyone that has been targeted is lying about it, we are in such deep crap it is not even funny.

Vote Trent.
Well this sucks for town, now scum will know two power roles town has. I am Thomas Equinusx, Human Paladin town bodyguard STR 8 / AGI 5 / CHR 8 / INT 4 and I chose to protect dedo last night. I felt he was town and he's a strong player so if scum were going to NK someone he would be a prime target.

It's of little consequence but this also proves my point that someone being protected does not know they are being protected.

@lift I don't think dedo is lying, only way he would of known I was at his camp last night is if he was a tracker.

@dedo I did hear a stone crash last night and drew my knife, but nothing happened.
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trentonlf: Well this sucks for town, now scum will know two power roles town has. I am Thomas Equinusx, Human Paladin town bodyguard STR 8 / AGI 5 / CHR 8 / INT 4 and I chose to protect dedo last night. I felt he was town and he's a strong player so if scum were going to NK someone he would be a prime target.

It's of little consequence but this also proves my point that someone being protected does not know they are being protected.
Well, crap. You are playing a good game of forcing our hand. Now I have to do something, I didn't want to do and which will slightly help scum. But in this case it is important: I know for a fact, that someone being protected DOES know of that protection, since I was told that I was protected tonight. Though I don't know by whom (and if I knew, I wouldn't tell you). This means again that you are probably lying. Because if all the other targets of night actions, INCLUDING protection, were told that they were targeted, why should dedo be any different?

Dedo did, however, report being searched. Which would fit with you searching him and not with him being protected by you.
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trentonlf: Well this sucks for town, now scum will know two power roles town has. I am Thomas Equinusx, Human Paladin town bodyguard STR 8 / AGI 5 / CHR 8 / INT 4 and I chose to protect dedo last night. I felt he was town and he's a strong player so if scum were going to NK someone he would be a prime target.

It's of little consequence but this also proves my point that someone being protected does not know they are being protected.
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Lifthrasil: Well, crap. You are playing a good game of forcing our hand. Now I have to do something, I didn't want to do and which will slightly help scum. But in this case it is important: I know for a fact, that someone being protected DOES know of that protection, since I was told that I was protected tonight. Though I don't know by whom (and if I knew, I wouldn't tell you). This means again that you are probably lying. Because if all the other targets of night actions, INCLUDING protection, were told that they were targeted, why should dedo be any different?

Dedo did, however, report being searched. Which would fit with you searching him and not with him being protected by you.
I have not lied. Not much else I can say that will change your mind on this either. Either you are lying or just like last game the setup is all f***ed up.
Yay, trent is flushing out ALL the roles!
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Lifthrasil: Well, crap. You are playing a good game of forcing our hand. Now I have to do something, I didn't want to do and which will slightly help scum. But in this case it is important: I know for a fact, that someone being protected DOES know of that protection, since I was told that I was protected tonight. Though I don't know by whom (and if I knew, I wouldn't tell you). This means again that you are probably lying. Because if all the other targets of night actions, INCLUDING protection, were told that they were targeted, why should dedo be any different?

Dedo did, however, report being searched. Which would fit with you searching him and not with him being protected by you.
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trentonlf: I have not lied. Not much else I can say that will change your mind on this either. Either you are lying or just like last game the setup is all f***ed up.
Well, IF you did tell the truth, the game is actually screwed up and we'll have to have a word with Yogs about that! Unfortunately there is only one way to find out and yes, your assurance that you didn't lie does not exactly convince me, since scum would say the exact same thing. So it still looks to me that we'll have to lynch either dedo or you to solve this situation and still have a chance of making something out of it and unfortunately for you, you still look more scummy than dedo. So my vote stays!