So, do some things make a lot more sense now?

I've got to run a bit, so only had a very quick read, but I'll be back on later.

CSPVG leaving us was quite unexpected, but anyway. Welcome yogsloth!

So you are the last scum?
Gotcha.

I see from your later post you already appear to be moving from this stance but I'll answer anyway.
Getting the first big post in just happened to come down to timing, the thread opened again around midnight here, so when I woke up this morning around 8ish and checked the forum I was able to put some thoughts down.
As for having a devised plan, I did. I knew exactly what I was looking for from HijacK and the players surrounding him, and I pretty much got it. HijacK played as I thought he would, and drealmer was the other party trying to distract from his lynch.
I'm getting fairly strong town vibes from you, I have various reasons to find a4plz town and trent was really the only one on the wagon I had any serious doubts about, but I'm basically happy with him as town now (based on the assumption of HijacK as scum).
I've had a few days to think about things (and unlike some of you I didn't have anyone to talk to ;P) and this set up seems to make the most sense.



Also, I talk (type?) a lot when playing mafia...

Interesting. You know that for certain? 100%?
I'm fairly convinced she is, but I'm not completely ruling out that she could be scum.

I agree, but the whole set up seemed more scum HijacK then town. There was none of the aggressive "You guys are so stupid, you're making a huge mistake killing me" rhetoric he usually gives before a lynch (as town anyway).

Oh criminy, so I'm in, but replacing CSPVG? I thought it would have been one of the others. Found out late yesterday as I was running out to baseball but I thought I would be going in for one of newer players.

I admit I have not really followed this game at all. It's barely 8 AM, all I have are copies of CSPVG's various PMs, and I have to read this whole damn thing.

Gimmie some time.

Ah man, I really don't know if I can really catch up. I last read the game sometime in Day 1, so I'm just skimming and probably doing nobody any favors hacking through RVS, so I stopped and started working backwards and this just jumped out at me big-time.

This is a new player that rolled scum, is over his head, and has no idea what to do with it. Just terrible.

I'll probably interject a few more random comments as I scroll backwards.

It means signing up for a game you don't appear to intend to play.

If I invite you over to my house to play poker with me and my buddies, and all you do is ignore your cards and stare out the window silently, I'm not going to ask you to come back next time.

Seriously.....how am I still alive??

I must be scum. Kill me now!!!

Complete lack of flips is... certainly demoralizing.

HijacK was HijacK. drealmer is drealmer. No way to know what's going on, honestly.

Bookwyrm is certainly Town. Scum could possibly kill their own after that to keep a vote alive, I guess... but... yeah, really tough to think anything through.

Vote a4plz

Sure do...I like it. Kudos to agent for the thought that went into this.

I checked in last night but wanted to clarify something with agent before posting. That's now clarified. However, today is graduation, lots of ceremonies, meeting parents, hugging students, pomp and circumstance, yada, yada, yada.

I won't be able to participate until late this evening.

Aside from a snag at the start of Day 2 (when I hadn't realised Day 2 had started, but people here have been hounding me for being a lurker since then, even you, picking a 3 day old post), I've been playing fine, as far as I understand.

Does "playing" the Forum Mafia game entail posting huge blocks of text every third post or so? If so, then yeah, I guess your analogy would be accurate, and I really shouldn't have signed up, because throughout my life I've been more an observer and reactor and am probably physically and mentally incapable of doing that.

I'm kinda reminded of this :D https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ChQK8j6so8

I like you.

Hahah..I like you too, flub, and thanks for the post to allow me to clarify myself sooner without it becoming an edit (I'm a serial editor, it really is part of my MO when it comes to online forums, and I keep almost forgetting about it not being allowed here :D)!
Welcome, yog! I may have come off a bit more antagonistic than I meant to. Just that people have been analysing me a lot as a scummy lurker, and it has started rubbing me the wrong way.

Back to the decision now, I guess. The lack of flips makes it all a bit more anticlimactic, though, I guess. More investigations now!

First of all, all my words to you are under the assumption that you're Good. There will be an end paragraph about if you're Evil at the end. Either way, you MUST DIE. I hope you understand.

Just jumping on any wagon because it has more votes than others is WRECKLESS anti-town behavior, ESPECIALLY that close to deadline. You're going to go with 5/13 players? you mean 6, right? That IS NOT a "consensus," it's not even a majority. It was WORSE THAN USELESS for you to do. It's even more aggravating when you refuse to listen to input from other players (I'm not saying you have to abide by what other players say, but as a new player it'd make sense for you to "take a back seat" to everything that is going on and get advise from fellow players who have more experience before making critical actions without even being up to date with reading. READ AND UNDERSTAND THE RULES, please. AND, if you still have posts to read in the unfoldings of the thread, DON'T JUST VOTE because you lack the time to participate properly, THAT DECREASES your amount of appropriate participation, not increases it. IMO, if you're town, YOU MESSED UP THE GAME. So, if you want to play, make the time to play or ask for a replacement, you are messing with other people's ability to have fun by what you did. Having not read or simply lack understanding to the rules is a HUGE ISSUE for me. It shows a lack of respect for the moderator and other people playing the game. I no longer want to play with you, I am no longer glad to have you here, and I cannot trust how you will play any longer in this game and so you MUST DIE.

NOW, none of that holds true if you're Evil. If you're evil you're either simply out of your depths OR you did what you did knowingly, with the knowledge that you could be excused as a Good noob who wasn't paying attention and can get away with being/doing what I detailed in the paragraph above. We can't take the risk, and you MUST DIE.

Anyone not a proponent of your death is either Evil, or, doesn't fully understand how the game works, imo. (looking down I see adalia has voted me and calls my reaction to HijacK's lynch an overreaction. I think ONLY SCUM would not be utterly outraged by the end of D2. To me, adalia is gloating and tipping his hand. He is either a4plz's scum-buddy or Evil benefiting from a4plz's noob stupidity. Or he doesn't fully understand how the game works, I guess I shouldn't dismiss that possibility.)

If you understand how the game works then you must be Evil. Do you stil think you understand how the game works?

and now trent tries to speak for HijacK in regards to this post. Did HijacK actually think he was at L-1? Impossible to know, as apparently scum had the exorcist convinced that HijacK was Evil and did not care to have the rest of us convinced who might not be. Bad move, imo, to remove HijacK. It looks like Evil has the game in the bag at this point.

You guess, eh? Understand that this could be Evil pretending to be a clueless noob, reinforcing the idea that they are a clueless noob, and trying to gain town points. We can't take the risk and YOU MUST DIE.

Can you please explain why you're voting me? What happened between then and now is that most realized that I am actually town. Those not convinced that I am town are most likely Evil. (it's really this simple, folks, it really is.) Unless you are convinced I am evil, you shouldn't be voting me. What has you convinced?

I've done a few tests and posted SECONDS after it went from 9minutes to 10 minutes and every time it creates a new post. I even did it during mafia games. BRAVERY!

I had her reading strong town with possible well-played-evil and a possible PR. I imagine Evil felt she was the next strongest town-seeming player, saw potential in her having a PR, and went for it. Never dismiss the possibility that Evil killed their own and remember to keep that angle in mind when reading cristi. I agree with your 82%.

Of course you do, you've been gunning for him since the game started. You really think if HijacK is lying that the real herbalist would have simply come out and said "no you're not! I am!" ??? YOU REALLY THINK THAT? I don't think you do, and it is statements like this that have you as confirmed scum, imo.

Reading adalia's #744...it is just full of horrible logic and assumptions and screams EVIL to me all over the place (which I'm sure he's counting on and aiming to make me look bad with calling him Evil by trying to convince others I'm evil.) He's either Evil or EXTREMELY lost and confused Good. SOOO lost and confused. Adalia, have you read the whole thread since becoming a replacement?

Of course there was no way for Evil to know if he was a PR, what a revelation!! Major skills you've got there. Maybe Evil caught onto the hints and behaviors that I, and I would hope others, saw that it it quite certain he was a PR. He was the player that I had as most likely to have a PR. I believe strongly that he did, and that our herbalist is GONE for good. Those that don't see that are scummy, IMO, and that isn't going to change much. Yes, I could be wrong, but I really don't think I am.

We have players defending the way that HijacK was lynched. This should be SCREAMING EVIL TELLS to you all. If it's not to the noobs, that is understandable, but everyone else should be on anyone defending the way that Lynch went down. I'm surprised adalia and trent are so brazen to do it so outwardly. I feel like they're just uber-confident scum (and at this point there is no reason they shouldn't be, as I see it, Evil is kicking Good's butt.)

How would you have liked HijacK to defend himself if he truly was a town PR, adalia? Scream from the start of the game DON'T KILL ME I HAVE A PR? Claim it when getting to L-1? and you're going to hold it against HijacK for what a4plz did? Was his L-0 claim not what you would have expected if he got it out at L-1? Evil has bypassed the town-balancing mechanism and gone straight to "almost won", imo. In case you're wondering, the town-balancing mechanism here is that in a normal game, he would have claimed herbalist at L-1, be given a pass from lynch, and then at night he would have targetted himself as he said, and been the NEXT nights kill. WTG Evil for bypassing all of that. WTG a4plz for helping Evil bypass all of that (an Evil move, and why we can't just let you live on the chance that you are actually evil.)

more to catch up on still, obviously (am up to #746)

Just refreshed and saw a massive post. In my head - I'm like "must be dreamler7". Here is a free bump.

Make sure to hit the game opening posts, and the Day Open/Close posts.

I think critical rereads might be a4plz, babark, dessimu/adalia, and drealmer.

You don't have to do huge blocks of text. A good number of people don't (JMich, Flub, CSPVG, Cristigale). Some tend to post more (Adalia, Yog, Drealmer, me).

Reacting can be fine, especially after things get going. However, you have to react publicly, not just "hmm" to yourself. You get accused of lurking when you post infrequently, you post short blurbs, and you don't really contribute anything to the discussion when you do post.

Take sides, make some accusations (you'll get farther if they have some basis in reality), try delving into the wagons and draw some conclusions based on some hypotheses. If you are the coroner, then survive one more lynch and give us investigation results on Day 4.