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JMich: Or are you suggesting that the coroner shouldn't be targeting the night kills at all?
What reason would the coroner have to target a NK?
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Bookwyrm627: What reason would the coroner have to target a NK?
Depends on what we get from flips and what we don't. If we do get alignments and lynch a scum, investigating a night kill may give us more information than investigating a mafia goon.
So why wouldn't the coroner target a NK?
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Bookwyrm627: What reason would the coroner have to target a NK?
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JMich: Depends on what we get from flips and what we don't. If we do get alignments and lynch a scum, investigating a night kill may give us more information than investigating a mafia goon.
So why wouldn't the coroner target a NK?
Because the mafia have no power roles and should all be goons.
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JMich: The ones I would consider voting for are a4plz for his suggestions, you (HSL) for the overly aggressive play I don't like, and Wyrm for being all over the place.
I won't vote for a newbie on D1 on principle, and since both you and Wyrm have been taking pot (or kettle) shots towards me, I do not want to vote too hastily since my view is quite likely biased.
I could vote for Drealmer to get a lynch, but I don't see something that damning.
Voting for anyone else at this point doesn't look like it will result in a lynch, and I don't like waving my vote around.

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So, you'd rather we all twiddle our thumbs because that will somehow cause information to magically come to us? Be specific, what exactly is overly aggressive about my play?


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JMich: Depends on what we get from flips and what we don't. If we do get alignments and lynch a scum, investigating a night kill may give us more information than investigating a mafia goon.
So why wouldn't the coroner target a NK?
What sort of information?



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CSPVG: Notes, once again:

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#344 - Bookwyrm - Perhaps I was wrong about the fluff posting. This is more substantive, and more in line with what I see as Bookwyrm's usual posting style. I really must go back and check out his other posts.

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Am I to assume that you've read up to post #344, and none of the rest yet? If not, does it mean that you have nth to comment on the later discussion?
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JMich: Depends on what we get from flips and what we don't. If we do get alignments and lynch a scum, investigating a night kill may give us more information than investigating a mafia goon.
So why wouldn't the coroner target a NK?
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trentonlf: Because the mafia have no power roles and should all be goons.
? You want to rephrase that?
As I said, if a lynch is scum, and the flip does give us alignment, so we know we lynched a mafia goon, why wouldn't the coroner investigate a night kill instead of confirming that it was indeed a goon that was lynched?
If we don't get alignment on flip, then yes, lynch targets are more likely to be investigated by the coroner than night kill ones, but that doesn't mean night kills are impossible targets for the coroner.
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Bookwyrm627: What reason would the coroner have to target a NK?
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JMich: Depends on what we get from flips and what we don't. If we do get alignments and lynch a scum, investigating a night kill may give us more information than investigating a mafia goon.
So why wouldn't the coroner target a NK?
I misread your question so disregard my answer
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Bookwyrm627: What reason would the coroner have to target a NK?
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JMich: Depends on what we get from flips and what we don't. If we do get alignments and lynch a scum, investigating a night kill may give us more information than investigating a mafia goon.
So why wouldn't the coroner target a NK?
At the moment, I'm running the publicly known worst case scenario, that the public gets nothing but the dead player's name and wagon for any flip.

Under that logic, we already know nearly everything relevant about every NK: the NK was town. We don't know whether the lynch is scum or town, so we don't know what filter to use when reevaluating the lynchee's posts.

I'm planning to reevaluate this stance once Day 2 dawns, and we have the lynch flip (hopefully), NK flip (maybe), and third power's public description (as promised).
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trentonlf: Because the mafia have no power roles and should all be goons.
He's talking about NKs. Why would you expect Scum to be a NK target if Town has no night-killing abilities?


In a game with no flips, and with the Evil win condition in place, we can't rely on night-action results to solve and win the game. We must put our heads together, and work through things (who and why gets lynched/NK-ed, what interactions they had, who took what stance, etc.). But if people don't engage in the game, we're going to have very little to nth to work with.


On a side note, it feels like drealmer7 is laying low to avoid getting lynched. I don't like it one bit.
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HypersomniacLive: Be specific, what exactly is overly aggressive about my play?
Sure.
Your first post starts with you voting for an absent newbie. You say that people are not paying attention just to gauge reactions. You comment on people's friends. You take advantage of questions to jump back on other missing newbies.
Yes, you are attempting to cause people to react, and that does usually require one to be a bit aggressive about it. But you do come like a gunnery sergeant talking to recruits.

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HypersomniacLive: What sort of information?
Information that we don't have. Like whether the NK was a vanilla or a PR. If we do get alignment on flip, lynching scum will mean we lynched a goon. What would we gain by the coroner investigating the lynched mafia?
That doesn't mean that the information we gain may be beneficial, but it will be information we didn't.
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HypersomniacLive: Am I to assume that you've read up to post #344, and none of the rest yet? If not, does it mean that you have nth to comment on the later discussion?
No, I have read all of the posts up until my previous post. I just don't always have something to say about everyone of them.
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trentonlf: Because the mafia have no power roles and should all be goons.
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HypersomniacLive: He's talking about NKs. Why would you expect Scum to be a NK target if Town has no night-killing abilities?

In a game with no flips, and with the Evil win condition in place, we can't rely on night-action results to solve and win the game. We must put our heads together, and work through things (who and why gets lynched/NK-ed, what interactions they had, who took what stance, etc.). But if people don't engage in the game, we're going to have very little to nth to work with.

On a side note, it feels like drealmer7 is laying low to avoid getting lynched. I don't like it one bit.
I misread JMich's post, I thought he was saying scum should have a power role and the coroner should be able to determine what it was. I realized my mistake as soon as I posted my response.
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JMich: I have said it before, I will say it again. Your vote is your weapon. You do not unsheathe your sword unless you intend to bloody it, and you do not point your gun at someone unless you are ready to shoot them. The vote should be treated the same way. I will not vote for someone unless I believe said person should be lynched.

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Dessimu: And share why would you do such a horrible thing for that particular innocent human person.
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JMich: See above. I wouldn't do that against someone I considered innocent. But why do you think the one I'd vote for would be innocent, hm?
I really like how you compared vote to a weapon. That is poetic. I like that. Do you do anything creative-like in real life? As per innocence, it was all about that "horrible human person" joke.

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CSPVG: #281 - Dessi - I think you're giving both lotsofchickenwings and babark a bit too much slack, but I wouldn't like to see either of them gone at the end of today.

I must say that I'm not actually trying to lurk this time around (with no real success). It's just that my life has gotten quite busy over the past month or so (in a positive way).

As for Friends, I've watched the whole thing through at least twice. My sister really loves the show and owns the DVD box set. It's a fun show.
So far you are single living human being who has ever called me Dessi. It's amusing.

I give babark a slack because he just does not share much. Can't really tell why he acts so. Lotsofckickenwings is changing as the days go by. Not sure if it's for the better or for the worse. I don't have enough stamina and willpower to challenge and go after all three novices, so I go after a4plz, who so far, changed for the worse.

I am happy you are doing better out there. I myself am having some struggles, this game keeps me a bit more alive.

Friends - I am currently at S03 E02. Owning DVDs shows real commitment, I admire your sister.

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CSPVG: #287 - Bookwyrm -
..., but I feel as if Bookwyrm is trying to hide in plain sight. Thoughts, everyone?
I think many players if not all of us are playing a bit out of our traditional characters, myself included. That is why it is hard to judge individually, if Bookwyrm is holding back something sinister. For the moment there are players, who actually look somewhat suspicious, scummy, so Bookwyrm is good in my book.

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CSPVG: #327 - Dessi - I run the Absence Academy and Dry Cleaning Service. I'm Headmaster, Head Teacher, Hall Monitor, and Chief Desk Clerk. We're located in Boise, Idaho if you ever want to drop in for a lesson (we have intake year round) or if you need your clothes cleaned for a low, low, low price.
To meet master of all bureaucracy, surveillance systems, chief'ing and cleaning... That alone is great reason for a visit.

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Here is an idea. I am all in for lynching the scummiest looking player. drealmer7 and a4plz both have most votes on them (3 votes each if I get it right). HijacK is floating there somewhere as a possible lynch target. How about we take these three players and decide, which one to lynch. To make matters easier, lets keep discussions about other players to a minimum (until lynching target is decided).

- HijacK - contributed little; hates RVS and had exams; I don't know what to add, because I would not vote him.
- drealmer7 - contributed normal amount; was offensive/provoking and ended up somewhat disliked; like HypersomniacLive mentioned, is now keeping low profile; promoted No-Lynch; ...
- a4plz - new player; goes more or less together with drealmer7; keeps low profile while earlier was full of energy; promoted No-Lynch; wanted to discuss roles much; ...

I am currently voting a4plz and I am perfectly comfortable switching to drealmer7.

How about you?
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JMich: Sure.
Your first post starts with you voting for an absent newbie. You say that people are not paying attention just to gauge reactions. You comment on people's friends. You take advantage of questions to jump back on other missing newbies.
Yes, you are attempting to cause people to react, and that does usually require one to be a bit aggressive about it. But you do come like a gunnery sergeant talking to recruits.

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Oh, how I love it when you do this.
So, you do want us all to twiddle our thumbs. How do you think the game would progress if everyone played like you do, especially on D1?

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JMich: [...]

Information that we don't have. Like whether the NK was a vanilla or a PR. If we do get alignment on flip, lynching scum will mean we lynched a goon. What would we gain by the coroner investigating the lynched mafia?
That doesn't mean that the information we gain may be beneficial, but it will be information we didn't.
So, you want the coroner to expose both themselves and any power-role that gets NK-ed. Given Evil's win-condition, how exactly does this help Town again?
Oh sure, now you all decide to actually play and participate now that the deadline is imminent. It would have been nice to see this amount of participation before just before the deadline.

I'm at post #305 and need to catch up, not sure if it will get done before the deadline.

A quick note for the reading impaired:

I haven't been pushing no lynch, I've been pushing the discussion on no-lynch. Learn the subtle differences, it'd be great. I'm really sick of being called anti-town for trying to generate discussion about things, which is PRO-TOWN TO DO. I've even detailed reasoning and it should be easy enough to follow, if you can't follow or refuse to even consider my perspective, THAT is anti-town.

okay now to read
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drealmer7: I haven't been pushing no lynch, I've been pushing the discussion on no-lynch.
See, you "pushing for No-Lynch" actually comes from you voting No-Lynch. Voting is serious. Get that?