Votecount

drealmer7: 3 (babark, flubbucket, trentonlf)
a4plz: 1 (Dessimu)
babark: 1 (HypersomniacLive)
flubbucket: 1 (drealmer7)
HijacK: 1 (CSPVG)
JMich: 1 (Bookwyrm627)

No-Lynch: 2 (a4plz, drealmer7)

Not voting: HijacK, JMich, cristigale

drealmer7 is closest to lynch at L-4


As the Rules say, if a majority not reached, the Day will end with No-Lynch

To me any noob wagon is a weak wagon and the informationed to be gleened is useless. JMich already explained this, but, I'll say it in my own words. All of the scummy things a4plz has done can be attributed to noob-ness and that just lends to WIFOM and gets a pass D1 because it seems the sportsmanship-like thing to do. I concede that this is not true/gets reversed if I get reads on a noob player that seems like they "are smarter/know more than they are letting on", but I'm not getting any of that from a4plz or babark, I'm simply getting a "noob figuring things out." Of all the noobs locw seems the most dangerous to me if he is scum.

Also remember, we're likely to not get a flip on the D1 wagon so the coroner has to come out D2 and expose themselves if they targetted the D1 lynch on N1 in order for us to learn anything about the D1 wagon. I am opposed to the coroner saying anything less they get a flip on a PR or mafia, otherwise they should stay silent. (any one else have thoughts on this?) this means we are likely in the same boat D2 (just as far as odds go, that we'll lynch a vanilla) with a vanilla mis-lynch as we are with a no-lynch. No-lynch is looking more and more reasonable to me as the hours go on.

Here's the thing with no vote. We can't kill scum N1. There is no chance of killing scum n1. If we hit a townie that helps scum but at least we've tried.

Some say "well we have no information ?" This game is based on lies so what the hell more information will we actually get on D2. It's absurd to not lynch.

and if we hit a PR? either forcing their claim or lynching them. and then what if the NK gets a PR and we only have 1 mistake left. what then? just "oh well we tried" ? you are more strategic minded than this and this reads scummy to me.

mis-lynching a vanilla on D1 helps scum much much more this setup than other setups

In short: I am so tired that I just thought "reply" button is written upside down and it must be devil's work. You presented some good points. Fact that made me think my vote over, was that whatever we get, can be "explained" by novice status and in turn, gives another WIFOM.

I will sleep on all that, in the meantime I believe some others will also have interesting ideas. I might change my vote onto another player, and spontaneously I am not convinced that a no-lynch is a way to go.

Depending on what coroner would learn, he/she may just as well stay quiet during D2 if information gathered is of little use. Thus, no exposure. But that is just a "what if?" talk, not too much helpful.

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See you in the morning.

Things that have caught my attention:
Dessimu and drealmer both indicate the other is playing against their meta. I’m not sure I see that much difference on either side. I know drealmer has refrained from walls of text the last couple of games. Does anyone else see a difference in the way either are playing?

Trent seemed quite early in the game. When someone mentioned it he said: “I'm here, there's just nothing going on that I see a need to comment on” (post 168) I couldn’t argue with that at the time. The jokey vote at this stage on drealmer does seems strange. Drealmer may or may not be scum, but he seems like low hanging fruit. Trent’s vote bothers me.
@trent – can you say more on why you voted from drealmer?

Hyper was aggressive at the start. He toned it down after players started to mention it. He's done that as scum, but right now it seems weak for a lynch.

I not a fan of voting for a new player on the first day, but a4plz’s play has been far scummier than anyone else.

Right now, my top picks would be a4plz or trent. Hyper would be a distance third.

Anyone with stats good with odds?

If you are so scared of killing a PR or vanilla - I understand that. But when does the fear end ? According to this logic D2 we don't lynch anyone either.

If I'm ill-informed I am open to hearing otherwise.

I'll acknowledge that I don't know how much information comes out in a N1 lynch.

What I do know - is that the only shot to kill scum is during the day. This game is a game of odds and what person in their right mind votes to put off taking action on those odds.

Drealmer7 - you say it's critical if we kill a vanilla or PR. Of course it is - but that's why we play the game ! That's why we take the shot at actually hitting scum!

@Hijack – I know you’re busy but at least contribute SOMETHING. Other than saying that the votes on you are bogus, you have said nothing relevant to the game. If the day ended right now and you were killed tonight, we would have nothing to go on – no reason why someone might want you dead other than it reveals the least amount of information.

Doesn't the Mafia kill also count as a flip? I thought fresh corpses from either source were always flipped unless otherwise stated.

Either way I get the impression that agentcarr is going to reveal something of note after tonight, unless this is some hardcore round where the bonus rules aren't even mentioned until half the town is dead. I'm betting on the former though.

My honest answer is "don't care lol", but I'm used to people assuming I'm male on the internet if you want to roll with that.

Ever wondered why that may be?


Are you proud or pleased with this?



[emphasis added]

How nice. This is something that a4plz was advised as being a bad thing to do, and was chalked up to noobie error. But coming from you? Are you Good that desperately wants to stay alive, just to see more than D1 regardless of anything else, or Evil laying the ground for surviving the Night if you don't get lynched Today?


[emphasis added]

Really?


Because if we get absolutely zero info on lynches, it surely is a brilliant idea to let Scum know how close to winning they are, right?


We know you're following yogsloth's game, but is this really necessary?


I kindly ask you to not spam the thread with your method of vote-counting, it's distracting.



So, in over 300 posts, you've found absolutely nth to comment on, or share your own view?

This unfortunately applies to a few of the more seasoned players too. Is it really that much to ask people to be more involved, and give their impressions and input? We are approaching the deadline, after all.

Yes, the results of the NK is the mafia flip (unless we receive evidence to the contrary, I'm assuming only a mafia kill). The information we receive on the mafia flip may or may not be the same as the lynch flip. Typically, they are the same. Given what we know so far, I'm not sure it is safe to assume that yet.

Agent said he would reveal the nature of the third power role at the start of D2.

Excellent, I feel validated in waiting for the morning then ;]

I actually quite like drealmer7's votecounts.

We're in an unusual setup. All Evil have to do to win is kill our 3 Power-Roles. We'll probably get zero info on flips.
So, I can see why our power-roles would want, more than in any other setup, to lay low during the Day as to not become the lynch target, but at the same time it serves Scum to act in a similar manner, and everyone will keep hesitating and wondering.

A couple have commented that I appear aggressive. Given the number of people just sitting back, and playing it pretty safe, and not much, if anything, being done to change it, I'm sure I do.

And no, cristigale, I've not toned it down, if at all, for the reason you think. Interesting that you're only looking at tone, and not actions. But I must say, that playing with me as scum has benefited your game. If you're Town, do you really think it's in Town's best interest to lynch me?


You really need to make up your mind.

drealmer7 wants us to consider No-Lynch. My question is this - if, as the OP and the presence of a Coroner suggest, we get no flip on the N1 kill, we'll enter D2 at the point we entered D1, minus a townie. What do we do then? No-Lynch again? How many Days do we follow this strategy?
The Coroner won't get any info on the N1 kill before N2, which means he will always be one step behind. If the Unique Role has no killing abilities, all NKs will be townies, so the Coroner's job will be to find out if they were a power-role, something they shouldn't reveal anyway, imho.
Lynching the power-roles is a danger, but we can't sit all game praying that Scum kill Vanillas at Night until we have some sort of epiphany as to who may be Scum.

I suggest you read flubbucket's Milk Game. Granted, not the same setup, but no flips, and the Coroner was killed N1. Yet Town won in the end, and did lynch people every Day except one.

It's simple, drealmer has been pushing for no lynch since the day started. A no lynch today is bad for town and anyone who has towns best interest at and would not be voting for a no lynch or pushing for it. The Friends comment was not a serious one, although I will disagree about his take on Friends as I think it's one of the best tv shows made.

Agreed.

I think focusing on a player's "meta" is without merit. It leads to foolish mistakes.

With that, I don't find you (HypersomniacLive) to be doing anything other than scum hunting.