You did, but then I stepped back. I'm not ruling it out (and I'd already marked you out as mchack's possible partner even before all this) but your recent interactions with him do give me pause so if that is distancing, well done it's working.

Good, if you are town that should be good for all of us.

It may have crossed my mind too, though I'm not sure we're thinking the same thing.

nope. it isn't when you just lynch the townie before scum having to nk or convert him. and then they either convert or kill another town. nothing gained.

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true. but I'm not the only scumhunter around. others will hopefully pick up the truckloads of stuff that I missed. there is 8 townies in game you know. And scum is probably also scumhunting.

- They wouldn't. but then we know where to look. he'll be suspected till end game but how is that worse than lynching him while he's town thereby wasting a chance to hit scum that day, which gets even higher if you can rule out a "confirmed town vanilla" (which flub isn't by a long shot) and giving scum the chance to convert someone else entirely that is not suspected in endgame
-the first scenario is better for town I suspect. but I don't really see how it applies here, because both scenarios can happen whether we lynch flub or not. if flub is town, then let me ask you: which scenario is better for town a) lynching a known townie b) lynching someone else with the (then even higher) chance of hitting scum and learning something new by the flip.

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oh that's where I think you are wrong:
I already did post a bit on chances before and said that the masons are much harder to lynch D1 (they know each other) so they shouldn't be forced to claim in that case and if you also take a known townie (which flub isn't in my book) from that then there's only 4 vanilla vs 4 scum left. 50% chance. In no way more likely a town lynch than scum lynch.

if we assume that. But if we do or don't will be our choosing based on the information we have tomorrow. (we'll maybe see that there a 2 nk and so know that flub was not converted) who knows. I'd rather have someone I suspect around that I can question, than killing him of while believing him town for the off chance he might become scum next day. Also flub was converted last game after going "suicidal" town and he was indeed our first scum lynch then and the game was over with the next lynch D2 Town win. Don't know how this game would have went if we had lynched flub D1

Well we don't loose the info from the flip by continueing to scumhunt, do we? What changes by not piling up on flubs reaching for a fast lynch of someone you believe to be town, other than having less information to go on day 2?

I didn't.

I voted him when he said he this:

For reasons I won't get into yet (but that I hinted at at the time) I took that to be him claiming vanilla and voted him accordingly. The obvious argument is the one I've already made, that only a vanilla townie would court a lynch today (the reason I believe flub may have done that is one I'll go into later or after the game, though it may not be the reason he used).

So I'm not sure what exactly you are alluding to by saying I voted him before I thought he was a vanilla townie?

Yes, trentonlf, the pro-town play is to try and lynch scum, and that's precisely why I'm scum-hunting and questioning what people say, and trying to get them to talk and be on record in case we don't hit scum Today.

But if we can't get a consensus on who to lynch as scum, depriving scum from a "guaranteed" conversion is the next best thing we can achieve Today. This way, flubbucket's death won't be in vain, and certainly not just a random choice to avoid No-Lynch.



Define "then". Preferably by pointing to the specific post.



I didn't; you insisted in reading things only in a certain way. Whether that's due to tunnelling or having an agenda, I haven't decided yet.

I have no reason to try and distance from mchack. You choose to see it as such because you either fail or refuse to see that my questioning others isn't about him or defending him.


We'll see post game.

You took flub's post to be serious (something I still wouldn't necessarily do). Then came to the conclusion that the only role to look to be lynched day 1 was a vanilla townie. You then assumed scum and presumably all the other players in the game, would come to a similar conclusion as you. My point is that before you explained all this, there wasn't a need for the vote. Now that you've explained all your reasons it changes things, but that's a different matter.

See above.

I like that a lot! So, what are your current thoughts? What's the plan?

Have considered asking flub these things?

Pop open adalia's brain and see what's inside. Either that or possibly ZFR, I don't like his voting patterns, thought that just may be from the much faster pace style of Resistance. I'd do mchack as well, just because of how is posting style changes when various parties turned up the heat. It's interesting how much more verbose he gets, something I think I remember happening last game I played in when he was scum.

I was honestly kind of assuming flub would address the whole situation when he makes an appearance again. I don't think he can exactly afford not to.

I came to that conclusion and considered it worthy of voting him because mchack's wagon wasn't going anywhere and for the other reason I won't go into.

I went into my reasons because a number of other players (trent did, I think mchack did too, I don't have time to check right now) had mentioned he might be vanilla town so I decided it was worth the risk of bringing the point into the open about why he should be lynched.

I didn't need to explain it to everyone else to know it was the case.

Actually, serious question. How fast realistically is Lifthrasil likely to declare that day ends? Is it 1-2 days? Several? Week?

I'd think around 3 days, that's about a week total RL time for day one.

We get a 48 hour notice before the day will end so a deadline is at least 48 hours away until Lift announces one.

That sounds about right. (Really just popping the next page because it says there are new posts)

well, if you want to compare that to one of my town games: try and read last game (it was quite short. town won. (spoiler: I posted like I do in this game) added bonus: flub was town and converted)

And broadcasting the certain lynch of flubbucket on D2 due to said suspicion helps us how exactly?



You seem to disregard that not all potential NK targets are town. You also seem to disregard that not all potential targets can be converted. The gain comes from making their choice more difficult, and increasing the risks of choosing a conversion over the NK.


So, your idea is to keep flubbucket around till end game if he openly confirms to be Town Vanilla Today?

See my reply to trentonlf for aiming for a scum lynch, and above for the rest. I won't touch the endgame bit as it's not prudent at this point in the game.


If we don't agree on a possible scum lynch, and we don't lynch flubbucket either, which scenario has better chances of happening N1?

The better scenario for town is to lynch scum, of course. Do we have a suitable candidate? Suggest away, but with actual arguments, not tunnel and omgus feelings.



Would flubbucket still be our first D2 scum lynch had he not been investigated N1?

Please take a good look at the setup we have here, then tell which role will provide us with investigative results D2.



Please take a good look at the setup we're in, then tell what other role would be looking to be lynched D1.

And I will repeat my suggestion to ISO flubbucket from game #51.


Please elaborate.