The Greater Good
@trentonlf: You know you just answered another roll call via a quote. That on purpose?
mchack: Nope, but not something only scum would do either. [...]
HypersomniacLive: So, not really AI indicative then, eh?
AI meaning Alignment Information? Sorry, read that abbreviation before but not sure what it means.
But if it means something on that ground then yes, it's not that helpful for finding scum, because both might have reasons to concede. But I really think scum would have a little more reason to push for a specific lynch on less ground than town. Since he probably has a plan laid out on who to recruit at night and how that will affect the next day.
mchack: [...] as scum you might have an agenda on who you think the most bothersome townie is, that you might want to get rid of. [...]
HypersomniacLive: Might? As opposed to what?
"might have an agenda," As opposed to just going with the flow, I guess. ... "that you might want to get rid of" as opposed to recruiting.
mchack: [...] but going after someone without listening to reason at all, would be something I'd see more on the scummy side, than conceding you might be wrong, when presented with strong arguments. [...]
HypersomniacLive: Because as scum, and the only one at that, i.e. you get lynched D1 and it's game over, you'd not try to appear like a good little townie that can never be sure of who's scum, and
pretend to be listening to strong arguments and concede you may be wrong?
When you put it like that :/ well, sure. Scum probably concedes as easily as town. More so even? Only one here knows. (well, three if you count the mods)
mchack: [...] conceding you might be wrong, when presented with strong arguments. [...]
HypersomniacLive: Can you point me to where Lifthrasil conceded he might be wrong because of strong arguments presented to him?
Sure:
#25 for instance
#174 which is the point where lift unvoted, there wasn't a strong argument in place, granted. It was more like his believe on catching scum (or getting the most bothersome townie lynched ;) was waning over the course of the following ~60 posts and then he conceded.
So yeah, I concede, the whole conceding argument that made lift seem more townie for me might be moot.
Still after the ISO of Lift, I still don't think he's our best bet on hitting scum, since he's way to engaged, calling out people making enemies, not something I at least would do as scum.
btw, nice tactic. asking a bunch of question, which make me re-read again to find the answers to and bam: I have a slightly differend opinion.
mchack: [...]
~ list of flubbucket's firm contribution posts ~ Well in the end there's also his vote on HSL in
post #232 which he explains in
#236 with HSL "creating stance free dialogue".
which honestly I might even get on board to. It is really the same that trent accused dedo of, about not making waves, which HSL, I think, very masterfully does himself. But since he promised a stance after wyrm answered him, I'll wait for that before placing my vote.
HypersomniacLive: [emphasis added]
Gee, I really didn't see that one coming.
That said, two questions:
1. Do you agree with trentonlf's take on dedoporno's play? If yes, why? If not, what differentiates his case from mine?
2. Since you closed your argument agreeing with flubbucket about me, can you point me to where flubbucket, in his firm contributions, took a stance on anyone or anything? The roll call thing excluded, since you believe it's meaningless.
Oh, my more ISOs to go through. You really make people work you know ;)
1. yep. I think I do. He was pretty nice to everyone not making accusations, nor creating waves, could be a good hiding spot. But then he's also pretty engaged. And so are you. Still, dedo got trent on his back, you haven't had anyone bothering you at least when I did my re-read post and night is coming fast, so I asked about your stance and then flub voted you and I merely said depending on your answer I might join him.
2. hmm. here
#213 he made a firm stance on him being the best lynch for day 1.
maybe also
#105 where he voted Sage for LAMIST reasons. and only took the vote off when Sage was replaced.
But I know what you mean. Firm stance are scarce and in light of the whole conceding argument above maybe not a good indicator either way. But I still think CL would be in a more comfortable position when he'd be playing like HSL right now than when he'd be playing like Flub.
mchack: [...] If I were CL, I'd probably find Wyrm with his "making choice interesting for CL" most bothersome, [...]
HypersomniacLive: Why is that?
Since Wyrm suggested to make CLs choice more interesting. If he's gone CL won't have to bother thinking about that (and maybe even getting rid of a Power Role in the process)
mchack: [...] Dunno if scummy me would be pushing for him (probably not) but town me, would be definitly interested in what he has to say about the others.
HypersomniacLive: Are you familiar with the term LAMIST?
But do tell, why wouldn't scum-you be interested in what I have to say about others?
Yep. Look at me I am so Town. Well, Scum-me would be rather indifferent about that, wouldn't he? He knows who is scum and who he'll try to convert, so other than trying not to get lynched himself, he's fairly uninterested.
But then again, he might be interested in who are people you're prepared to get on a train on, so yeah maybe scum-me would ask a lot of questions.... O.O
mchack: how come my posts always come out with garbled links even though they look neat in the preview and do look fine when opening them on the edit window? what do I do wrong?
HypersomniacLive: The reason your links are all messed up is because, about a month ago, GOG implemented a security fix that led to
multiple links in the same line no longer working as they did and should, as well as
bad interactions between formatting and hyperlink tags, and you have to use workarounds for such hyperlinks to display correctly (first link in the post I linked to).
My take will come later this afternoon, after I do a couple of rereads.
Thank you very much. You're very helpful.
A couple of rereads? holy crap. But yes I'm anticipating that.
As for stances: here's mine.
Not prepared to lynch either wyrm or flub today, (because of the chance of hitting PR, but as said before tomorrow it's something else completely. each could be converted tonight)
Also less inclined to vote for the very engaged players Trent, Dedo or Lift.
Which leaves HSL and Hunter as my voting options this evening (barring that the deadline hits us (isn't is supposed to come tonight or early tomorrow morning?)
@Hunter, what's going through your head these days (damnit I'm not so good with questions as HSL is)