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trentonlf: ~ poke ~
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HypersomniacLive: Any thoughts on Lifthrasil's Hunter65536 vs GammaEmerald?
My vote is on Hunter, his reaction and play since being put under pressure has been off. He feels like scum flailing, so he is my preferred lynch. But if most feel it's better to play it safe and lynch gamma I have no problem switching my vote.
Well, 2 hours and a bit to go and I'm under the impression, that apart from gogtrial no one shows an inclination to follow my 'play it safe' suggestion. Perhaps y'all are right and playing it safe and lynching Gamma is actually not the best idea, since it allows scum to justify their vote too easily. "Just playing it safe..."
Also Gamma's extended absence has lead to there being less interactions with him than for Hunter. Also, he claims computer problems. While Hunter promised to 'post more in a couple of hours' 14 hours ago - which he didn't. That looks scummy.
Also the two players sitting on Hunter seem quite convinced he's scum. While the only one sitting on Gamma with me, RWarehall, stated that he suspects Hunter too. So he is likely to switch.

*sigh* to make it short: the stalemate needs to be broken and I see no one else doing it and since I am about to leave for today, I'll break the stalemate:

vote Hunter

There. I have done it. L-2. If this is wrong, any scum not yet on the Hunter wagon can pile on now... but if he's scum, we will be in a very good position tomorrow!
bump
Sorry for that!

unvote GammaEmerald


vote Hunter65536
I've been away all day, but I haven't missed much. I see no reason to shift off Hunter. I think I'd be happier with replacement Gamma then lynching him as an easy option. Of all my suspects and the possible lynch options (other than me, obviously) I have the least scum vibe from him (though actually I'm willing to concede I may have been wrong about trent, certainly his push on Hunter means if he is scum I'm horribly wrong about Hunter).

I think Hunter is the right lynch today. I'm fairly hopeful he is scum, but if not I think we have a reasonable amount to work with tomorrow.

@drealmer, if you are town I hope you will at least consider joining the wagon to prevent no lynch. I'm fairly sure Hyper and RWarehall will vote (probably gogtrail too) but it's getting tight.
Lunch break - will check again after next class

2 hours, 40 minutes left - no pressure.

Votecount
Hunter65536 (3): trentonlf, adaliabooks, Lifthrasil
GammaEmerald (1): RWarehall
adaliabooks (1): drealmer7
RWarehall (1): Hunter65536

Not Voting: GammaEmerald, gogtrial34987, HypersomiacLive

Hunter65536 is closest to lynch at L-2.

@Lift - you were good, it's nice if you unvote but I'll take the last vote - those sneaky elves
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adaliabooks: I've been away all day, but I haven't missed much. I see no reason to shift off Hunter. I think I'd be happier with replacement Gamma then lynching him as an easy option. Of all my suspects and the possible lynch options (other than me, obviously) I have the least scum vibe from him (though actually I'm willing to concede I may have been wrong about trent, certainly his push on Hunter means if he is scum I'm horribly wrong about Hunter).

I think Hunter is the right lynch today. I'm fairly hopeful he is scum, but if not I think we have a reasonable amount to work with tomorrow.

@drealmer, if you are town I hope you will at least consider joining the wagon to prevent no lynch. I'm fairly sure Hyper and RWarehall will vote (probably gogtrail too) but it's getting tight.
with 3 people not voting this close to deadline I really don't feel like it's "on me" to secure a no-lynch and I won't be motivated to vote someone I'm simply not comfortable voting - I've given you all 5 options I'm okay voting, I think that's plenty

I will do this, however

vote RWarehall
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gogtrial34987: Because for each of the combinations, I'm leaning to the other side of the pair, and because the amount of meaningful interaction each of them has had with the other can be counted on the thumbs of one hand. And that only if you stretch the definition of meaningful. Scum not making any attempt at distancing like that feels unlikely to me. [...]
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HypersomniacLive: Not sure I follow - which combos are you referring to?
This conversation chain started here:

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Lifthrasil: Hmm. drealmer or adalia? drealmer or Gamma? adalia or Hunter? Hunter or RWarehall? (These are the pairings where I had the impression 'One of these two is probably scum')
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gogtrial34987: [...] Drealmer + Hunter is the only pair which satisfies all of them. Yet from all the possible pairs, that's probably the one I'd consider the least likely.
If Lift's initial feeling "One of these two is probably scum" is 100% accurate, then there's only one scum-pair which would make that possible, and that's drealmer + hunter. Yet for each of the choices Lift presented (each "combination", though I guess that's the wrong word to describe these choices), I would choose the one who isn't drealmer or hunter: I was at the point I wrote that leaning adalia over drealmer, gamma over drealmer, adalia over hunter, and rw over hunter. Which can't all be true at the same time.

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gogtrial34987: [...] I did just now get pinged quite strongly by drealmer's #296 "there are other ppl who I think are more scummy with more content in the game, hunter (and gamma and gogtrial, for that matter) are of not-much interest atm today", where I'd read past that the first time. [...]
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HypersomniacLive: Curious, what exactly, and why, did ping you?
Noticing the complete lack of interaction between these two, I was thinking about distancing. So Drealmer calling Hunter "of not-much interest atm today" (shortly after people have been falling over him en masse), and then throwing him into a group with me (generally seen as probably town by anyone who's expressed an opinion about it) and Gamma (a leading wagon since near the start of the game) makes me consider this to be a rather strange remark, and possibly distancing after all.

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gogtrial34987: And suddenly I see scum-drealmer everywhere... (Will need to look at this afresh tomorrow morning; I might very well be suffering from being overly tired after a too full evening.) @all when drealmer is town, does he usually have very few townreads? This reminds me quite a bit of smurfia-scum drealmer, where his townreads were purportedly limited to 1 (trent).
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drealmer7: first of all, "seeing scum-drealmer everywhere" is general/vague, point it ALL out
My apologies for a figure of speech. What I meant was that I was reading the very "next" post by yours (a previous one, in this instance) as also possible to interpret in a scummy way.


*refreshes*

More later. I'm off to dinner, but I'm seeing Lift switch wagons. And that while I was getting more convinced that Gamma is the way to go. Drealmer, trent, adalia: Any of you willing to commit to Gamma as well so Lift can hop back?

My thinking in short:
I see these as the most likely teams, possibly in order:
gamma/hunter
gamma/rw
gamma/adalia
drealmer/hunter
drealmer/trent (long shot, masterfully played - so not really, but damn, it should be)

Gamma features in three of them, hunter in two. And I had my early relatively strong town read of Hunter which I'm still clinging to somewhat.
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gogtrial34987: More later. I'm off to dinner, but I'm seeing Lift switch wagons. And that while I was getting more convinced that Gamma is the way to go. Drealmer, trent, adalia: Any of you willing to commit to Gamma as well so Lift can hop back?
Only to avoid no lynch, and frankly I don't see switching to Gamma helping towards that goal at this point.

Besides, if your argument is the number of likely scum teams then that doesn't work in my case (I'm in one of your options) and it's two each then, with more scum lean in Hunter's favour.
gogtrial trying to scumhunt by way of teams stinks

gogtrial not voting or making fully clear who he's willing to vote at this point stinks

and this phrasing "And I had my early relatively strong town read of Hunter which I'm still clinging to somewhat." really stinks
invite gamma > vote hunter
hunter should definitely be defending himself more at this point, geebus
@drealmer7 - and shouting makes it an even better question, no doubt, eh?

I've expressed my view on all who have a vote on them, haven't I? I'm hopeful we lynch scum, but am also prepared for the case we don't. And even if we don't, it's still better than No-Lynch, so not letting that happen.

So, still no sign from either GammaEmerald or Hunter65536; certainly did not improve or change my view on either. And the latter made it to L-2. I'll cast my vote, and let RWarehall or gogtrial34987 hammer, though I'm not sure that gogtrial34987 is actually willing to lynch Hunter65536.

But for FWIW at this point - for all the reading and asking around gogtrial34987did all Day long, I find their contribution just before deadline lacking, to say the least. In fact, there's something about their post #345 that pinged me, but I guess gogtrial34987 has to wait until Tomorrow.

Vote Hunter65536
Unvote Gamma - Vote Hunter
Let's do this first, because I still believe it to be the right course of action.
vote Gamma
(But yes, I will switch my vote for Hunter if necessary at the deadline.)