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RWarehall: The big problem is if I'm right and we still have 2 scum and a SK
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Krypsyn: I am not sold on an SK, if only because 4 scum (counting the traitor) vs 7 town (assuming no neutrals) is a pretty harsh set up. A Vigilante isn't much better, even assuming limited shots, but at least it is nominally a pro-town role.

One could assume fewer mafia: 1 Mafia, one traitor, but that doesn't make much sense to me. It could happen, given that this game supposedly has bastards elements, but it would leave me scratching my head.

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RWarehall: We are pretty much at LyLo if there are 2 NKs around. We cannot afford to no-lynch.
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Krypsyn: Assuming scum isn't hit like last Night. Even a Serial Killer can hit scum, after all.

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RWarehall: I am a bit shocked by Drealmer's Double-Voter claim as mine is in the single-digits.
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Krypsyn: Mine is in the low teens. I too was bit taken aback.

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I am a little interested in how we seem to have paired roles, at least by claims, yet there are an odd number of people in the game. There are also only 10 files, not 11, available to investigate. The implications are... interesting.
On mobile, so not making this pretty. Don't forget there is a dead neutral to move it to 12. Also, game could have stretched up to 13, iirc.
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cristigale: @RWarehall - I was reviewing your posts and I think I got things out of order using the script concerning your vote on flubb. What changed your mind from voting for flubb to voting for trent?
The Miller claim. Before that, I had Flub in the group of people trying to be inoffensive (i.e. lurking for the scum win) without really pushing for town unity. Sorry Flub, I don't really waste my time following breadcrumbs in these games any more, if you have something to say, say it.

At this point, I feel we lose with a no-lynch. If we are at 5/2/1 and get hit twice that's 3/2/1. If we hit the SK at that point, we lose. If we hit a scum at that point, we still stand a good chance of losing depending how the kills fall.

While I've read up on the thread during breaks at work, and was already planning on changing my vote off Flub as soon as the claim was made, don't expect me to try to type on my phone (unless its do or die) until I get home in front of my computer...like I did.
As to Trentonlf specifically, I don't actually find him quiet exactly, I just don't find him trying very hard to figure this out. While he tends to be a solid player, I just get the feeling something is off. That he is not giving his normal effort in resolving this puzzle. There can be many reasons for this, but I certainly can see how this might be because he doesn't want it figured out.
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Krypsyn: The implications are... interesting.
Definitely. This is one of the only reasons I think it is possible I am the only sane 1 with 10 delusional patients. OR, maybe I'm delusional too and someone else is the sane one.
You have a deadline. It has slipped forward to 2:01 pm PST on Thursday, Mar 31.
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Krypsyn: I am not sold on an SK, if only because 4 scum (counting the traitor) vs 7 town (assuming no neutrals) is a pretty harsh set up. A Vigilante isn't much better, even assuming limited shots, but at least it is nominally a pro-town role.

One could assume fewer mafia: 1 Mafia, one traitor, but that doesn't make much sense to me. It could happen, given that this game supposedly has bastards elements, but it would leave me scratching my head.
Except if you think of it like the MafiaWIki does and count it as a 1/2 scum role.

So we have 2.5 scum + 1 SK in an 11 person game. 3.5 is within the usual 25-33.3% scum window and with the SK a separate faction, it seems balanced by numbers.

Now, if this whole insane cop thing is real, it sure puts a damper in town's effectiveness. With 2 NKs, if every night, I just don't see how we were supposed to figure it out soon enough to make any use of it. Not to mention, it virtually guarantees a mislynch as we heed the cop and probably should have led to two mislynches as we kill that cop. Again all this assuming Bookwyrm isn't playing us.
Calling it a night, so this bump is a bit premature, but c'est la vie:

You have a deadline. It has slipped forward to 1:47 pm PST on Thursday, Mar 31. [edit for bold]
Post edited March 31, 2016 by bler144
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RWarehall: Except if you think of it like the MafiaWIki does and count it as a 1/2 scum role.

So we have 2.5 scum + 1 SK in an 11 person game. 3.5 is within the usual 25-33.3% scum window and with the SK a separate faction, it seems balanced by numbers.
Except with 2 anti-town kills a Night in this case, which I think throws the numbers off to favor scum a bit more. It is debatable, since SK kills can cut both ways (just like a Vigilante's can), however I think a Vigilante is possibly more balanced. Regardless of whether the second killing role is SK or Vigilante, that sort of set-up would imply a role heavy game (to balance out town's strength), which is in line with what I see from how many are acting and reacting.

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RWarehall: Now, if this whole insane cop thing is real, it sure puts a damper in town's effectiveness. With 2 NKs, if every night, I just don't see how we were supposed to figure it out soon enough to make any use of it. Not to mention, it virtually guarantees a mislynch as we heed the cop and probably should have led to two mislynches as we kill that cop. Again all this assuming Bookwyrm isn't playing us.
This is a big reason I have been reticent to vote for Bookwyrm627. I am uncertain he is sane (or even town, for that matter), but I think town has to trust him to stand a chance. Sort of a swing for the fences type scenario; go big or go home.
When I was reviewing who I thought was the most scummy, I either misread or misinterpreted when RWarehall voted flubb versus when he voted trent in conjunction with the miller claims. On another read, RWarehall changing his vote from flubb to trent makes sense in the context of events. I’ve often disagreed with RWarehall’s take on the game, but it struck me on the last re-read how hard he seems to be playing and pushing for a lynch instead of no lynch. I find this more likely a town play than scum. Scum don't need a lynch today. Could be a play, I'm leaning it town.

RWarehall presented the worst case scenario. We could get lucky and scum (or Vig) could take out another scum. Dedo’s disappearance is similar to adalia’s – I assume that is the result of the mafia team. So a SK or Vig most likely hit JMich. If we have a Vig and they hit JMich, I’m not confident in their ability to hit scum. I’d prefer to vote on someone tonight rather than leave our fate in scum (or possibly Vig’s) hands.

We know that CSPVG and JMich are town.

I’m willing to risk that the following players are town:
Bookwyrm
Flubb
Kryspyn

From my perspective that leaves:
Drealmer
Hunter
RWarehall
Trent

I still think it’s a good idea for Bookwyrm to visit Hunter. If Bookwyrm gets a town read, I’m fairly confident Hunter is scum. If Bookwyrm gets a scum read, I would move Hunter near the back of the list. He could still be scum but Hunter’s play has not made me suspicious (except perhaps his recent vote on Krypsyn). If Bookwyrm is killed it should confirm him town (no read on Hunter). I’m much less suspicious of RWarehall than I was before. That leaves Drealmer and Trent. My preference would be Drealmer but I am willing to switch to trent. Do we have enough support to lynch either of these players?

For now: Vote Drealmer

I am going to bed but will switch my vote to trent if needed in the morning (approx. 6-7) hours. After that I will not be available until after the deadline has passed.
Vote: trentonlf
I've been trying to avoid revealing this, but I'm not the one you want to lynch. I'm the town psychiatrist. I get to visit one person a night and if they are a serial killer I cure them. The reason there are 10 files instead of 11 is there's not one on me.

We are in a mental hospital, and all of you are patients. I know as far as roles go some of y'all have assumed identities of what y'all use to do in the real world and for some of y'all it's a figment of your imagination. I've tried to drop little hints along the way that we are in a mental ward while at the same time trying to avoid too much attention on me so I was not targeted by the serial killer before I could find him. It's a hard line to walk.

I visited Krypsyn on night one and found no evidence that he was the serial kill. After CSPVG commented he thought Krypsyn was the serial killer again and then CSPVG flipped town I thought he might be on to something after Krypsyn's comments.

I asked if I had access to the files so I could know who was who, but I was placed in here at the last moment to try and find the serial killer and I don't know what files belong to what person.
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trentonlf: I visited Krypsyn on night one and found no evidence that he was the serial kill. After CSPVG commented he thought Krypsyn was the serial killer again and then CSPVG flipped town I thought he might be on to something after Krypsyn's comments.
Okay I guess I'll unvote Kryspyn.
Unvote Kryspyn

Let's lynch drealmer then eh?
Vote drealmer
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trentonlf: I've been trying to avoid revealing this, but I'm not the one you want to lynch. I'm the town psychiatrist. I get to visit one person a night and if they are a serial killer I cure them. The reason there are 10 files instead of 11 is there's not one on me.

We are in a mental hospital, and all of you are patients. I know as far as roles go some of y'all have assumed identities of what y'all use to do in the real world and for some of y'all it's a figment of your imagination. I've tried to drop little hints along the way that we are in a mental ward while at the same time trying to avoid too much attention on me so I was not targeted by the serial killer before I could find him. It's a hard line to walk.

I visited Krypsyn on night one and found no evidence that he was the serial kill. After CSPVG commented he thought Krypsyn was the serial killer again and then CSPVG flipped town I thought he might be on to something after Krypsyn's comments.

I asked if I had access to the files so I could know who was who, but I was placed in here at the last moment to try and find the serial killer and I don't know what files belong to what person.
What number was assigned to Krypsyn's file??
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trentonlf: I've been trying to avoid revealing this, but I'm not the one you want to lynch. I'm the town psychiatrist. I get to visit one person a night and if they are a serial killer I cure them. The reason there are 10 files instead of 11 is there's not one on me.

We are in a mental hospital, and all of you are patients. I know as far as roles go some of y'all have assumed identities of what y'all use to do in the real world and for some of y'all it's a figment of your imagination. I've tried to drop little hints along the way that we are in a mental ward while at the same time trying to avoid too much attention on me so I was not targeted by the serial killer before I could find him. It's a hard line to walk.

I visited Krypsyn on night one and found no evidence that he was the serial kill. After CSPVG commented he thought Krypsyn was the serial killer again and then CSPVG flipped town I thought he might be on to something after Krypsyn's comments.

I asked if I had access to the files so I could know who was who, but I was placed in here at the last moment to try and find the serial killer and I don't know what files belong to what person.
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flubbucket: What number was assigned to Krypsyn's file??
I have no idea, I didn't look at his file. I visited his room. I was not given any indication of alignment, just that he was not the serial killer.
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trentonlf: I'm the town psychiatrist. I get to visit one person a night and if they are a serial killer I cure them. The reason there are 10 files instead of 11 is there's not one on me.

We are in a mental hospital, and all of you are patients.
Well, THAT'S an interesting wrinkle, and an alignment change would certainly account for the firm bastard mod territory. Not sure what to make of it. If the SK joins us, then he wins with Town, right?

What happens if you visit Mafia? Any kind of clue, or is it the same as visiting town?

Leap of Faith time. I'm going to trust Trent, at least for now, about being town. Two insane cops would be strong, while a naive cop + paranoid cop would be a strong handicap with two kills each night. Taken together, that means I'm probably insane (quite possibly me as well as Danny-me). I think that indicates CSPVG was also insane, with us being a reflection. That means Hunter is scum.

Unvote Drealmer.
Vote Hunter.

Hunter, I'd like to hear you claim after all.