Answering your questions a bit more directly, Ix is, at this point, the only thing I see that points towards the possibility of three teams. If he is scum, I think 3 is at least in play. If he's not, then, no I don't see 3 teams. It's one of the main reasons I prefer him over Trent.

I don't know that three jailers would necessarily mean 3 scum teams, no though if he had knowledge of one that was not himself, that would, ipso facto mean scum, right? In any case, my point was that Ix's post was giving me an itch that there might be 3 teams in play. If there's one team we look to be in great shape; if there are two teams we're in ok shape; if there are 3 teams we'd kinda need to know asap, right?

Consider his last post of D3 before his disappearing act. It ends with "scum everywhere." There's a theme there.

I would strongly dispute that my nit-picking is opportunistic. As noted, I've had Ix as leaning-scummy to scummy since D1. I've been quite consistent. I just didn't talk about him much D3 becuase it seemed like a distraction, though note that when I did it was still on the theme of suspecting him. But on D2 he said he had no issue with my unvote, and now he's saying it's scummy even though nothing has changed. That's opportunism.

In any case, I'll go ahead and up the ante since you seem all-in on defending Ix:

Hijack, are you a jailer?

Just where did I even suggest such a thing?

I don't like him as a lynch today and you're really pushing hard, which obviously begs the question why? I present a clear analysis. You even agree with it. Yet you refuse to budge your position on the grounds at one point in time you made a wrong call on game mechanics. Curiouser and curiouser.

Actually, I was really lenient about it. I went with whatever looked more solid. I wasn't in deep thought for 36-48 hours. This and me and drealmer had our match.

@Lift: Do lurkers get mod-killed during the day around holiday time?

First of all, you made no big case about Ix at the end of D3. Most of the time it was me and drealmer fighting. Second of all, if you remember the timeline pretty well, which I'm sure you do, it was stated that most US residents won't be very active. Now, if you really think Lift would have mod killed Ixam in that time frame for lurking, I want some of what you're drinking. It's not just thin. It's non-existent. As I see it here only you and trenton have issues with Ix. He's third in my suspect list, but nowhere near decent enough for a lynch, and your constant nit picking is turning my eye, especially since you, just like you say I do come in the "defense" of Ix, you constantly push for his lynch while taking away attention from trenton. Since I made my analysis no kind of decent argument came from him. Barely any decent material and doesn't seem to care much at the state of things.

He's #1.

Regardless, it seems my vote worked, though I must say the results are not satisfactory as I'm genuinely suspicious of you now.

unvote bler
vote trent

Is that the best you can do to deflect attention away from my candidate?

I don't care for Ix, I care to lynch trent to verify something that I'm more confident in, and you're in my way constantly deflecting attention. Your mistakes are not mine.

No, I'm not a jailer. I'm an investigative role.

Where's your vote?

What about yours?

Would you kindly weigh in?

You're still re-reading, so that's gucci, but please put a vote down. Preferably on my candidate.

Dedo is still not here, so we have to wait for him.

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Now I understand how yogy feels when you're pulling with all your force in one direction and most people just..... SIT! Like, I don't even know if they're watching. AAAAARRRRGGHHHH.

Tsk, tsk. Not bolding your requests...

Normally, that would be true. However, because of the Holiday weekend and the short night, we, the moderators, have decided to be lenient. Besides, the Daybreak post doesn't read "Two Days Ago" yet.



With the death of both the painter and the talker in under 12 hours, the atmosphere is grim in the small council room. No one understands how two such nice people could have been linked to the criminal organization that is the mafia.

Now, some are beginning to propose the existence of multiple mafia families having spies on the council. Many aren't sure how to take this, and HijacK appears to be cracking under the strain, but the talk continues...

Vote Count

trentonlf: 3 (Ixamyakxim, Krypsyn, HijacK)
Ixamyakxim: 2 (bler144, trentonlf)

Not Voting: flubbucket, drealmer7, cristigale, dedoporno, Bookwyrm627

...and, while the discussion continues, it becomes apparent, that one council member hasn't said anything today yet. dedoporno seems to take awfully long on the loo today. Must be all the leftovers he ate for breakfast.

No, the prodding starts two days after the Day started for whoever didn't check in in 2 days. So when the Day-start post reads '2 days ago' I'll check who hasn't turned up at all. But as agent said, I'm going a bit more lenient this time.
Also, when I started the night, I said that I might extend it until today, so I'll send a little reminder to show up without prod consequence first (now, actually) to let any lurkers know that the Day has started.

And no, I won't modkill someone over Christmas. But Christmas is still a few weeks away and Thanksgiving is over. So for the moment we should have business as usual. In any case: if you will be gone for an extended period of time, please let me know in advance.

Like, you wouldn't even believe the amount of dedication I put into this and these "politicians" stand here talking semantics, sipping some illegal moon shine or shutting up when I am certain my superior intellect has uncovered the solution to at least one of our problems. It's RIDICULOUS!

The waiting. It's killing me.....

I agree I'm pushing hard.

I would strongly dispute your notion that I haven't budged.

Re-read my offer to Krypsyn in 1361, or my response to you in 1371. I'd include links but I'm on the lousy laptop - in any case, if you view 50 per page they're both on this current page.

In both cases I indicate some willingness to vote Trent today IF there is some concession that we either a) at least get Ix to claim today, and/or b) have agreement that Ix is top of the menu tomorrow.

Similar to you, I am pushing my top candidate hard, yes. Though I would say that, of the two of us, I'm also the one who has showed some willingness to consider alternatives.

As for your role claim, I wasn't expecting that level of specificity, just a Y/N on jailer, but fair enough. I'll consider that matter settled for now as you've at least put yourself on the line for LAL. For the record, I am also not jailer.

Willingness to vote and voting are 2 different things. Tell you what, if I'm wrong about trent we vote for whomever you want tomorrow! Even better, if you want to vote for me I'll ask Lift to mod kill me or I'll lurk to mod kill.

It's not that I don't consider alternatives, it's that I am of hyperbolic confidence that I am right. And when I get in that mode, I HAVE to know.

So far we had only 2 claimed blocks, and we have 2 dead jailers. If any more appear they were either unlucky and hit vanilla or we have people who keep info away.

I can't believe it. I just killed the thread. Are all but lurkers left in the game? O_O

I would think the record of all my games shows that I am the same. Heck, I'm STILL convinced CSP and Lift were a tandem in the dungeon game. I am that positive I'm right. And you should be glad, because my focus on CSP is what made your bluff work.

In any case, I don't particularly like your deal because I only think you're even possibly guilty if Ix is. So Trent flipping town/neutral wouldn't make me vote you; barring new info I'd still vote Ix tomorrow 100%. If Ix flips scum today, barring new info I'm still voting Trent tomorrow.

As for the difference between willingess to vote, and voting, that's fair. Though considering, as you note, we're missing actually weighing in from cristi/wyrm/dedo/drealmer, I'm not in any rush to just move to my 2nd choice today any more than there is rush for you to move off your top choice at this point. There's nothing suspicious in staying on a first choice when almost half the room hasn't weighed in meaningfully yet. Would you agree that's also fair?

Perhaps those remaining 4 are amenable to my proposal that we lynch Ix today and Trent tomorrow, and that would be enough to seal the wagon the way I prefer. If it's not shaping up that way, then I'll make a more specific promise to vote Trent today in exchange for what I want tomorrow.

In any case, the day is only 24 hours old, so I'm not in any particular rush to actually secure a lynch either way.

Off-topic, but I've come down with a cold/ear thing over the past few days, so at this point I'm not certain if I'm still flying for work today or not.

*flips table*
Where the hell is everybody? It's Monday folks! You know, that day that whispers "You're screwed!" in your ears?

Oh, sorry to hear that. :/

Thanks, It's actually one of those cases where being the boss sucks. If I were just a peon I'd cancel no question. As the boss I'm on the hook if I'm not there for the training and we end up with a liability as a result.

The feds have piled up a whole bunch of regulatory changes this year. Sigh.

You seemed to indicate my response to you was adequate. Where you being facetious?

No matter, I'll be more clear: I think you and trentonlf are scumbuddies. I would be happy lynching either one of you Today.

My bad on the bolding. I actually set the bold tags at first, but found the tags distracting while I was trying to formulate the question in a clear manner. Looks like I forgot to re-bold after I finished.

Amusing thought (less amusing in practice): "Merry Christmas! Have a modkill!"

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Working on it. I keep running into "Do I really know that?" walls while trying to make rational decisions.

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Here are some of my thoughts:

Day 1:
Lynch: Pina, Mafia thug
NK: JMich, No flip

Day 2:
Lynch: Adalia, Town Vanilla
NK: HSL, No flip

Day 3:
Lynch: Leonard, Mafia Jailer
NK: Yogsloth, Mafia Jailer

-The flavor for the No Flips is clear about the kills being cleaned; I’m confident that JMich and HSL weren’t walking around in the buff while alive. We have at least one more scum out there (obvious, since the game is still going), and he can presumably janitor.
-What power changed Adalia’s flip? If Yogsloth’s flip is correct and complete, then Yog wasn’t (directly) responsible. Flip changing seems unlikely to be a town power, unless it is some sort of side effect (if so, then to what?). Unless there is some kind of coroner, then we can’t clarify whether Adalia self-changed; on reflection, I doubt he self-changed, but I can’t be more confident about this without more information.
-With two (presumed) Jailers down, does anyone care to claim having been jailed last night? Yog’s target for jailing is currently undefined. Such a claim can provide evidence on whether the jailing flips are accurate. In the meantime, unless there is (yet) another jailer running around, we seem to be finished with people being jailed.
-Assuming the mafia flips are correct, then there is either some sort of redirect, or a vig shot, or two mafia teams. Or I suppose more than two teams, which would make me ask how many freaking mafia members are running around in this game.
-With two jailers, why is there any assumption that mafia can only kill on alternating nights? They could have been hitting the same targets (a la Flub’s game) and/or getting blocked by the jailers (whether the killers were blocked or the victims were protected).

And given how many times I had to stop and go “No, that requires an assumption” or “Wait, you missed a possibility” just to get the above, I have the feeling I’m about logic-ed out for this game, at least until some answers come to the table.

If I had to throw down a vote right this second, I’d be slightly more inclined to go for Ix over Trent. I’m still processing exactly how to keep moving forward, when I lack a strong reaction to a particular player and most of the information I have is in doubt.