Posted October 31, 2016
Cadaver747
Registered: Mar 2009
From Russian Federation
PookaMustard
モニカ。モニカだけ。
Registered: Jun 2013
From Other
Posted October 31, 2016
I'm pretty sure that nobody would like to support an evil regime unless they benefit from it. However, you have to realize that there are points when no matter what you end up doing, the evil regime is here to stay. You can want them detached from rulership all you want, but unless you happen to have the capability to pull out an assault on said regime and handle the long term consequences of said assault, more often than not your only choices are either to support this regime, a choice most won't like, or endure it.
Post edited October 31, 2016 by PookaMustard
PaterAlf
Cookie Monster
Registered: Apr 2012
From Christmas Island
Posted October 31, 2016
Law might be strange, because it's illegal to buy and to distribute the game, but legal to posess it. But hat's the way it is.
If you don't agree, please show me the paragraph or a single verdict where one was sentenced, because of pure posession of a banned game.
STGB 86
There is no second page. The whole link is about a very specific case in which a violent and dangerous person in jail is not allowed to posess the series "The Walking Dead" (which is not indexed or banned), because his therapist thinks it will be harmful for his therapy and rehabilitation. It also has nothing to do with normal gamers and banned games.
sanscript
Ltd. DeepSeeker
Registered: Jul 2011
From Norway
Posted October 31, 2016
A sanction is not some naughty slap on the wrist, it's a comprehensive economic blockade.
1. Should you be held accounted for when your King does something bad? Or when the government accepts for example death as a penalty? Should you then be treated like a terrorist/hacker/murderer just because you live in that country?
2. Is it reasonable that a gaming company should dictate what is or not the right moral, ideology, or political way with another people? Tell me, was Norways primeminister wrong when she urged Facey to not act a "thought police" or a moral guide?
3: Do you honestly think that this type of reaction would ever hurt a government/dictator that has already thrown common human rights in the toilet? For all we know - this is exactly what he needs to escape the reality.
Have you never read history?
Apropos being intelligent; do you think it's "intelligent" to enforce a pitty sanction AFTER the government has lifted theirs, after so many years?
And the phrase "A sanction is not some naughty slap on the wrist, it's a comprehensive economic blockade." is just some political rhetorical propaganda. More than often it only hurts the people, especially when that country is already considered weak and has little buying or political power. Read nr 3 again.
Goodaltgamer
New User
Registered: Oct 2014
From Germany
Posted October 31, 2016
There is no second page. The whole link is about a very specific case in which a violent and dangerous person in jail is not allowed to posess the series "The Walking Dead" (which is not indexed or banned), because his therapist thinks it will be harmful for his therapy and rehabilitation. It also has nothing to do with normal gamers and banned games.
I could re-quote this nice sentence you posted too me again.
But as I am NOT like you:
http://www.pcgameshardware.de/Spiele-Thema-239104/Tipps/Indizierte-Spiele-kaufen-und-importieren-1026829/2/
And nice, you did try to read the OTHER link I send you, BUT
1.) The walking dead is FSK 18, hence it is indexed, not by BDJM but by USK, still indexed. BDJM just did not add it to their list.
2.) The therapists was actually okay with it
3.) It was the Boss of the Jail who refused it and the judges agreed.
4.) So if a person in jail can not legally buy a minor indexed thing, you really think that it is OK to own a game which is on the really bad bad list.
5.) I really suggest, read a bit more carefully, as the German criminal law STGB does not make any distinction between films and games.
6.) IF you would really would know a wee little bit about this you would know that computer games are not considered as art OR FILMS in Germany, so allowing even less freedom with it.
7.) With what you just posted you made it also crystal clear, that you do not really understand anything about why certain games are banned and on which grounds.
If you would really like to understand the indexing I suggest to read some of those links:
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bundespr%C3%BCfstelle_f%C3%BCr_jugendgef%C3%A4hrdende_Medien
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unterhaltungssoftware_Selbstkontrolle
Those links are from the official BPJM page
http://www.bundespruefstelle.de/bpjm/jugendgefaehrdungstatbestaende.html
http://www.bundespruefstelle.de/bpjm/Jugendmedienschutz/games.html
http://www.bundespruefstelle.de/bpjm/Rechtsfolgen/traegermedien.html
Oh, I really suggest you read this link on the web-archive part which is in one of the other links.
Have a nice day
qwixter
Famous Titles
Registered: Mar 2010
From United States
Posted October 31, 2016
"In compliance with US embargoes and sanctions laws, Origin is not available in Cuba, Iran, Myanmar, North Korea, Sudan, Syria and Ukraine (Crimea region)."
source
Mhm, I don't really know a lot about this, but if that's an actual legal requirement, doesn't that mean Steam will have to oblige as well, but Gog doesn't, not falling under US jurisdiction?
Edit: Yeah, sorry, just realised that sanctions against Myanmar have recently been lifted. So, the whole argumentation seems pretty nonsensical.
Anime-BlackWolf
Elexis Sinclaire for President!
Registered: Apr 2012
From Germany
Posted October 31, 2016
Have a nice day
You can posses ALL "banned" games as long as they are not child pornography.
IF you have "unusual" amounts of the same banned game (10 times "Wolfenstein" for PS3) a judge could dare to think you are selling this stuff and so your games must be confiscated. If you sell video games as your daily job, than you are screwed. In no other case.
And YES, a judge CAN try to ban a person from possession of games or some games. But this is no easy task and must be declared in court.
You can decorate your walls in your house wirh swastikas as much as you like, forbidden symbol or not, as long as you don't show it to the public. AND if you are prosecuted for a crime as §86 StGB, than all your flags can be confiscated as evidence. Importing those flags is problematic, too. But possession? Nope.Sorry.
Goodaltgamer
New User
Registered: Oct 2014
From Germany
Posted October 31, 2016
Just a short reply:
Read the links, I posted earlier, especially the ones having dejure in them, if you scroll to the bottom you will find a list of quite a few links to trials. Which really makes it clear that you also do NOT understand it. Possession is illegal.
im Inland verbreitet oder zur Verbreitung im Inland oder Ausland herstellt, vorrätig hält, einführt oder ausführt oder in Datenspeichern öffentlich zugänglich macht,
Unless you want to say that a fairy tail gave those too you, you broke the criminal law. End of story. (use a proper translator and you will understand, I did translated it prior)
Post as much false information as you like, but that is the whole cold truth. And this has NOTHING to do with child-porn, this would § 184d
So nice try.
Have a nice day
Read the links, I posted earlier, especially the ones having dejure in them, if you scroll to the bottom you will find a list of quite a few links to trials. Which really makes it clear that you also do NOT understand it. Possession is illegal.
im Inland verbreitet oder zur Verbreitung im Inland oder Ausland herstellt, vorrätig hält, einführt oder ausführt oder in Datenspeichern öffentlich zugänglich macht,
Unless you want to say that a fairy tail gave those too you, you broke the criminal law. End of story. (use a proper translator and you will understand, I did translated it prior)
Post as much false information as you like, but that is the whole cold truth. And this has NOTHING to do with child-porn, this would § 184d
So nice try.
Have a nice day
Lin545
May. 24, 2022
Registered: Jun 2011
From Russian Federation
Posted October 31, 2016
"In compliance with US embargoes and sanctions laws, Origin is not available in Cuba, Iran, Myanmar, North Korea, Sudan, Syria and Ukraine (Crimea region)."
source
vsr
⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐
Registered: Jun 2012
From Russian Federation
fishbaits
7/4/2012 - 9/5/2017
Registered: Apr 2012
From Ukraine
Posted October 31, 2016
Been an update. EA are still using the "because sanctions" excuse, despite other services still working as intended.
https://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/5aap99/op_from_the_myanmarorigin_ban_post_here_a/
https://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/5aap99/op_from_the_myanmarorigin_ban_post_here_a/
my name is catte
i touch your foods
Registered: Mar 2010
From United Kingdom
Posted October 31, 2016
The sad thing is that instead of a wake up call about DRM, most will just go "lol, EA" and go back to buying games on Steam.
Cadaver747
Registered: Mar 2009
From Russian Federation
Lin545
May. 24, 2022
Registered: Jun 2011
From Russian Federation
Posted October 31, 2016
Whom do you think they want to prevent playing EA games in Syria?
US Army, Russian Army, ISIL or Syrian Army?...
Or they want to prevent whole conflict to be solved via the country-wide deathmatch LAN party ?..
I don't get the logic: close air space(ok), deny games(??!!)
US Army, Russian Army, ISIL or Syrian Army?...
Or they want to prevent whole conflict to be solved via the country-wide deathmatch LAN party ?..
I don't get the logic: close air space(ok), deny games(??!!)
vsr
⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐
Registered: Jun 2012
From Russian Federation
Posted October 31, 2016
US Army, Russian Army, ISIL or Syrian Army?...
Or they want to prevent whole conflict to be solved via the country-wide deathmatch LAN party ?..
I don't get the logic: close air space(ok), deny games(??!!)
[i]Excerpt: Who May Receive a Grant?
The federal government typically awards grants to state and local governments, universities, researchers, law enforcement, organizations, and institutions planning major projects that will benefit specific parts of the population or the community as a whole.[/i]
"Specific part of population"?
(*cough* Dragon Age, Mass Effect *cough*)
And, as a recipient of governmental grants, EA has to comply with governmental agenda.