You did not break the crypto-claiming rule, you "broke" the don't-quote-PMs rule.

The don't-quote-PM rule is modkillable not because it's more severe, but because it's game-breaking. It's the equivalent of displaying your card in a secret Hitler face to face game. Whether done accidentally or on purpose it shifts the balance of the game to one side in a big way.

Imagine you being able to post screenshots of your role PM in mafia. If that was allowed, all town would do it immediately, and game is practically over since mafia team can't do it easily. Quoting PMs verbatim is a similar offence.

So in such cases a mod-kill is warranted. Even if the PM quoting was done accidentally (e.g. I thought I had something else copied to clipboard and posted quickly without checking). If there is no malice involved, a mod might still allow the mod-killed character to win if his faction wins.

Double-posting, being, posting during night... etc on the other hand need not unbalance the game. They should still be punished, including a modkill if done often enough or with intended malice, but not straight away, keeping in mind that the modkill itself might unbalance the game more than the original offense. In such cases asking for a modkill is bad form in my opinion. If anything, it should be taken with the mod through PM first.

Those two aren't mutually exclusive, you know? Also, tunneling wasn't the reason why I accused you of being scummy. You do tunnel as town too. But please, for once, try to read and actually perceive everything that I wrote before writing a retort. What makes you scummy is for example jumping to the most convenient wagon (what you falsely accuse me of) and misrepresenting what I wrote.


Modkill is the last resort. Usually you get a warning first and maybe some other consequence. Especially for something mild as lurking - or a post-merge. You know that those don't automatically lead to a modkill, right? However intentionally breaking the game - like using a crypto-claim - is reason enough for an immediate modkill.

I've answered this accusation already. Your wagon more convenient for me than Blotungas. I was on a 2 train wagon that had 1 strong supporter in ZFR and 1 prior voter in Korotan. In that sense it had 4 supporters as opposed to your wagon that only had 3 supporters in total.

I don't believe I have misrepresented what you've wrote. If I have please show me how.

Okay that all makes sense. Thanks for the clarification.

Apologies for advocating a modkill

Finished with Lift's and I have to admit it doesn't look that good when putting things in scum-Lift context.

Moving on scene now and then I'll try to spare some time for Micro as well.

Soooooooo final few hours and as Town of the day we are in a bad place and at the risk of no lynch. There are realistically 4 wagons with possible public opinion for a lynch: Scene Lift SPF and Blotunga - I don't think there's numbers for any other, if any can make a case otherwise please do so

People who aren't voting for one of these wagons who need to vote or change vote:

SPF - no vote yet

Blotunga - Pooka isn't happening today buddy

Microfished - Wake up, you need to vote

Dedoporno - I appreciate you're re-reading

Should be a smaller amount of reading for you

I wasn't pointing it out, just wanted to make sure I hadn't missed it.

While it may not change things regarding supplementscene, it doesn't make you look any better either.



Nothing of matter, really. Point is I misunderstood how you meant it (we could discuss it post game if you're inclined).



It shouldn't be taken with the mod on anything or anywhere, period, imho.

Scene is more or less what I expected. Other than some initial uneasy vibes and the distinct intent to stay off Fran's wagon I feel it's very possible that is Town-scene tunneling and sticking to what he thinks he's found. That's that much more likely if Lift is actually scum.

On Lift - he has a pretty big stack of content but quite a lot of that (most of the first half really) is big posts that explain game stuff to the newer players which is free activity and content but doesn't necessarily come from a Town mindset. It's pretty much a whole lot of common sense that is just that - it doesn't hurt the scum really but can appear very helpful. I assume that's one of the reason why it generally makes me feel good it. Someone (maybe it was HSL but it might have been scene) mentioned about superficial stuff which is also visible here and there, and there are a couple of bits where it feels that a statement or move made by Lift is being called out and then retracted as a result which, if one is looking for foul play, can be seen as him feeling his way around possible things to stick and backing off if it doesn't. All of this is when looking at him with under the prejudice of him being scum, though, rather than trying to be neutral about it and see where that goes, so I'm not certain I'm not finding exactly what I'm looking for but I have to admit that there is decent chance something is there.

Under the assumption that Lift is indeed scum I'd say the rest of them are (assuming 3 scum in total) among PookaMustard, ZFR, Microfishd and blotunga. This is mostly based on the assumption of him being scum and then applying some simple method of exclusion based on perceived interactions.

To be honest I'm not happy about the idea of swapping prime suspect for a pretty much last resort one in the final hours but I may have to do it as I'm even more torn about scene now (and Lift in that context).

I believe I have time to go over Micro as well.

If someone's continuous edits/double posting, repeated absences or other rule-breaking are a problem for you, I don't see why you shouldn't mention it to the mod via PM.

Since we agreed that we need a lynch, and the most likely target so far is Lift to get it done, as the votes stand, sorry mate but:
Vote Lifthrasil

However this may go (I might even get lynched and through no fault but my own), I think some afterthoughts are in order:
I hate jumping on wagons usually, but at this point and with the deadline so close, I have no choice. I'm going to sleep now and early in the morning I have to take the wife and kid to see the doctor, so whatever happens after this is out of my hands.
Now a little explanation is needed: the pooka vote has brought no noticeable result, a spf one would have had probably the same effect. Imho for the game it would've made sense to target one of them, as they say in the movies it's usually the silent ones that have something to hide. Ofc experienced players might have different styles to cover for this.

I see that there is a second train forming behind scene, but so far besides him latching himself at some point strongly on my heels doesn't gives off any unusual vibes. And that seems normal for him, to get obsessed with things.
If others think differently about what I wrote, I think most are in a better timezone to do something about it.

Regarding modkill, we all have irl issues, also not all of us like to write walls of text all the time. So I don't think a modkill is the way to deal with those who say little. But voting for them should usually start reactions from them and/or from possible buddies. That's what I tried to do, alas not too successfully.

Yes, I am aware of that and I'm sorry that I screwed up. At least we didn't have a NK last night, so another mis-lynch isn't that bad for town. Still, I would prefer not to be lynched, but right now it's not looking good. All I can do is ask: do a re-read of Scene and decide whether my accusation that he is misrepresenting parts of what I wrote is true or not.

Sorry, but voting someone just to "get it done" is not good at this stage. We still have time to avoid a no-lynch if need be.

OBWODP:

OK, I read the remainder of your post blotunga and see that you have to sleep and leave early tomorrow, hence your vote-now-to-avoid-no-lynch is actually warranted. Sorry.

Outside of some early contradictions regarding ZFR, not getting on Fran's wagon and then pointing fingers at us who did and not being extremely present lately (AWOL for the past couple of days) my re-read on Micro is more or less inconclusive. If Lift is scum I'd say the Micro is probably the least likely scum on the 5 player list I wrote earlier.

I'm awake at last, IRL has been intruding terribly this weekend, but I hope to go back to my last big post and answer "new stuff since then"