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Posted March 16, 2022
Not at all. I don't care for the latest AAA releases. Most of these games don't even have manual save everywhere and will only be fixed when running in a PS5 emulator in the future. I couldn't even play those games on my computer or afford the price anyway. One day they will be cheaper, and I will have a better machine. I have so many games to play on GOG, and SKALD and many other cool indie releases are coming. I understand the feeleing of frustration of those who are after the new titles.
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TheNamelessOne_PL: Anyone else frustrated by how many great new releases are not available DRM-free?
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eiii: I'm much more frustrated that so many good old games are still not available DRM-free on GOG (which often might not be GOG's fault) and that so many DRM-free games on GOG are still missing OS support or language versions which are available elsewhere.
I share this sentiment
Post edited March 16, 2022 by Dogmaus
Posted March 16, 2022
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TheGrimLord: Nope. I think if GOG shuts down, Zoom-Platform will take the lead. 428 Licensed games with more on the way. They have a much better representation with their customers and are dedicated to bringing a lot of old games over, as well as some indies. It takes time, but they're my definite next bet if GOG comes crashing down. Also, the team are on Discord often, so they update and let you know what they're working on.
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bombardier: That what you described right there is the history of GoG. Why do you think that Zoom has better chance?

It is more difficult to live from the cut of the 30 USD sale of several year old game than it is from the cut of just released fresh 60 USD game that everybody wants.

Even if GoG manages to release new 60 USD games, I think that majority of customer base willing to spend 60 USD for a game are no longer here.
First of all, they actually communicate with their customers. They show what they're working on in the discord. We can also request games and they talk about why or why not they would be able to release it. The head guy there, (Jordan Freeman) is really passionate about games and if you want to get into detail, they personally have a bone to pick with GOG over a certain game they kinda stole from them. Basically, GOG could not get the game to work, but Zoom could. So GOG made it so they could no longer sell it using some legal tactics and bought it from Zoom to sell on their platform. Not many people know about this or the game in question, but it's worth mentioning.

I like GOG, But if the shop comes crashing down, I definitely will trust Zoom over the others. They are committed to DRM-Free and are already working on getting a few things that GOG doesn't have. They do not update as frequently, but when they do, it's usually decent. They made quite a bit off the Duke's that GOG no longer sells, so there's that.

Oh, Zoom is also pretty fairly priced. And they have Postal 3 that wasn't released here. Also, it's kind of a passion project for them. They'd like to be a larger company, but don't need the money to support themselves. Jordan speaks with a lot of guys in the industry and he has plenty of connections.
Post edited March 16, 2022 by TheGrimLord
Posted March 16, 2022
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MartiusR: Plus - I really don't like how some users on GOG forum (not referring to this topic, but generally) like to throw some irritating phrases at those, who have admitted to buy some games elsewhere.
I agree! There are awesome games out there you can get for cents and GOG will never have, or never have anything in the genre - chass training for example. Or you want to access the Steam functions missing here. Sometimes you wait for a game on GOG for years and meawwhile it goes on sale on Steam for cents and I might just get it with Steam cards store credit and two peanuts and finally play it. I got Ring of Pain here, but I can't unsee how cheaper the Humble Steam key price was. It's no surprise that most people will not buy here. And throwing names doesn't help.
Post edited March 16, 2022 by Dogmaus
Posted March 17, 2022
Sad to admit that I have become one of those double-dipping customers anyway.
I buy a DRM'd version of a game (as long as it is playable), and then just buy the DRM-free version if one ever releases on GOG.

It's a weak stance, but I want to have fun first and foremost by playing the exact games I want to play. Having a DRM-free future is second on my list though, I swear!!
Posted March 17, 2022
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tfishell: Where did the idea that GOG's market share is 5-10% come from? pre-EGS? Is it closer to %1?
as far as i know, it was one single game - Defenders Quest. In one of their post mortem they talked about sales figures, and they sold about 10% on gOg at the time. so if it is here it comes from, we are talking about only one single indie game
Post edited March 17, 2022 by amok
Posted March 17, 2022
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I kinda wouldn't blame CDP for just shutting GOG down, as long as they let people download their games for a few years. Sometimes seems like the juice isn't worth the squeeze.

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tfishell: Where did the idea that GOG's market share is 5-10% come from? pre-EGS? Is it closer to %1?
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amok: as far as i know, it was one single game - Defenders Quest. In one of their post mortem they talked about sales figures, and they sold about 10% on gOg at the time. so if it is here it comes from, we are talking about only one single indie game
sounds about right.
Posted March 17, 2022
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TheGrimLord: I have to hard disagree, but you sound like you're speaking from an older generation.
I'm late 30's, but i'm just getting annoyed enough and getting more involved in D&D cards, MTG and other things where you don't let the computer and graphics and particle effects dazzle you as much.

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TheGrimLord: I used to play cards with friends, but I enjoy gaming by myself a bit more. It's just the style of game that I like. And you're forgetting couch co-op. Those games still exist, you know.
Indeed. But with so much pushing towards DRM and newer consoles and the 'release now patch later' models along with pushing NFT's and more monetization... i'm just tired of that crap.
Posted March 17, 2022
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Well, to be honest and I don't want to reveal too much here, but I have spoken to a game dev about this sort of thing and one who is working for a well-known company and previously worked as part of a team at another well known company. In fact, the title he worked on is sold here and some of you probably own it, have finished it and enjoyed it if I were to say the name. I am not going to tell you exactly what company or game so that no internal drama starts. Just yes, you know this one. I guarantee it.

Anyway, he stated that GOG always did things really different when it came to asking for releases, even back in the old days. He said that instead of asking far in advance for a title, they usually wouldn't approach his company until about a few months or weeks before release. This is unheard of in the industry and it often had them doubting GOG was an official publisher. It's just a bit weird, and GOG do things differently.

Secondly, I asked him as a developer, what would have happened to this site if Cyberpunk 2077 had been a commercial success? He stated that the game would have opened a lot of AAA doors for CDPR. There was a partnership with WB you might recall. If the game had been everything that was expected of it from day one (and I know it's made great strides since then) we wouldn't have the kind of storefront we do now. There's no doubt in his mind that other developers and companies would have gladly brought their games over to a store where such an acclaimed title was being sold. GOG were banking on that game to be successful, and when it failed to meet the standards of their investors, it really ruined things for them.

So lastly I asked, "what do you think is next for GOG?" Could they actually shutdown?" In his opinion, he says that he does not believe they'll shutdown, but there will more than likely be a chance they could be bought by Steam or as I would consider, Epic Games Store. In that case, there would be a full integration.

Once again, these are only the statements of one industry developer who has been working on projects since 2011. But they do hold an insider key on some of the things GOG is doing or has done in the past. And finally, he agreed that GOG needs those adult content filters and there's no reason why that stuff should be on the front page. He has nothing against it other than being "weeb trash" but it doesn't need to be on the front page of the website. I mean, I agree.
Posted March 17, 2022
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tfishell: I kinda wouldn't blame CDP for just shutting GOG down, as long as they let people download their games for a few years. Sometimes seems like the juice isn't worth the squeeze.

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amok: as far as i know, it was one single game - Defenders Quest. In one of their post mortem they talked about sales figures, and they sold about 10% on gOg at the time. so if it is here it comes from, we are talking about only one single indie game
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tfishell: sounds about right.
Why would they need to keep the servers open for years? Users have had all the time in the world to download games, have been reminded over and over not to rely on the internet, and the only point of the site is to acquire offline installers. Frankly if you haven’t done that you deserve to lose them. I know some of the stores which have gone had a grace period, but I wouldn’t rely on it. Epic or M$ could stomp in at any moment and buy GOG and turn the servers off immediately. I have this image of the M$ exec who apparently is sympathetic to drm free singing “I love the smell of burning drm free in the morning” whilst laying waste to a server! You could wake up to a web page redirecting you to game pass at anypoint!
Posted March 17, 2022
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tfishell: I kinda wouldn't blame CDP for just shutting GOG down, as long as they let people download their games for a few years. Sometimes seems like the juice isn't worth the squeeze.

sounds about right.
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nightcraw1er.488: Why would they need to keep the servers open for years? Users have had all the time in the world to download games, have been reminded over and over not to rely on the internet, and the only point of the site is to acquire offline installers. Frankly if you haven’t done that you deserve to lose them. I know some of the stores which have gone had a grace period, but I wouldn’t rely on it. Epic or M$ could stomp in at any moment and buy GOG and turn the servers off immediately. I have this image of the M$ exec who apparently is sympathetic to drm free singing “I love the smell of burning drm free in the morning” whilst laying waste to a server! You could wake up to a web page redirecting you to game pass at anypoint!
Exactly. Just as the dev pointed out. This place is probably on borrowed time. I'll bet even the staff knows it. It's sad, the mighty have fallen. If and when it is all done, I'm going to just shop at any DRM-Free sites still available (most adult game stores are naturally DRM-Free) and I'll just buy from Steam or Humble and download the cracked version. Yes, I said I would fully support the dev and the company by paying the full amount and then just kinda pick up a DRM-Free version elsewhere. Hey, it is what it is. They still get their money either way.

Some of you might be upset by that, but let's be honest. These companies only care about their money. Sales determine whether or not a game makes it well enough to determine a sequel in most cases. So even if you are cracking the thing, the company still gets their money for it and that keeps them afloat. I could honestly care less if someone pays $60 for a game and cracks it so it can be played off steam or unlocked from some other client. Hell, they paid for it. I hate DRM as much as the next guy and will support any stores that are against it. I prefer going the official route whenever possible. But if there are no longer any means to do that, I'm still going to pay hard working creators for their work. I'm just not going to be locked down to clients.
Post edited March 17, 2022 by TheGrimLord
Posted March 17, 2022
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Thankfully, the state of today's AAA games is so woefully piss poor that the number of 'new' titles I am interested in is vanishingly small, compared to the mountain of classics that I haven't played and that are available DRM-free. In other words: I couldn't really care less about modern AAA games, since all the best games have already been made anyway.

For those good, modern AAA games that I can count on the fingers of one hand - I'll wait.
Posted March 17, 2022
I will echo what other users have already written, and say that, personally, I'm not really frustrated about big new releases not showing up here, simply because I'm not that interested in modern "AAA" games (surely a sign of age...?)
There are so many great old games I still have to play, that can be bought dirt-cheap if I need to... AAA titles are expensive, plus I'd need to invest a sizeable sum of money to buy a decent gaming rig in order to play them properly - something I don't feel like doing.
I'm more frustrated about some great old titles not being available here, some of them even sold on other platforms at very low prices. I won't post any list, and I'm sure GOG would start selling them immediately, if only they could.
That said, I certainly wouldn't mind major new releases being available on GOG, for users who want them, and because I want GOG to be profitable and stick around as long as possible.
Post edited March 17, 2022 by cose_vecchie
Posted March 17, 2022
I won't lie, I'm a little bummed that soo few Triple A games make it to this platform, even if I'm personally more interested in older games. Despite all the negativity floating around these forums, I really like this store and don't want it to fail. And like GrimLord's game dev contact was suggesting, even one major release could make a difference.
Posted March 17, 2022
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AKassimov: I won't lie, I'm a little bummed that soo few Triple A games make it to this platform, even if I'm personally more interested in older games. Despite all the negativity floating around these forums, I really like this store and don't want it to fail. And like GrimLord's game dev contact was suggesting, even one major release could make a difference.
There's a bit more context to that though. The main point that he was trying to make was that CDPR was truly expecting Cyberpunk to blow away all expectations. The game was going to introduce normies who only used Steam to GOG as well as get the attention of developers and companies who wouldn't have been interested in it prior. The Witcher 3's success undoubtedly brought in a few curious devs and with that, some unexpected Triple A content. Cyberpunk was supposed to bring more. And that WB partnership would have opened up so many doors for the company. I'm almost certain they lost that partnership for further games.

GOG is pretty much a place for indies, some high profile of course, but I mean you can get that Tunic game also DRM-Free on itch.io for the same price. I've noticed a lot of itch titles being sold here now. They're trying to keep it afloat and I do appreciate outlining their DRM-Free policy today, but I just don't see how this could last more than a year or so at most. It's going to come down to revenue. Another hard hit to profits and the store will more then likely be acquisitioned to another larger company.
Post edited March 17, 2022 by TheGrimLord
Posted March 17, 2022
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TheGrimLord: There's a bit more context to that though. The main point that he was trying to make was that CDPR was truly expecting Cyberpunk to blow away all expectations. The game was going to introduce normies who only used Steam to GOG as well as get the attention of developers and companies who wouldn't have been interested in it prior.
Sorry I don't recall, was Cyberpunk 2077 supposed to be a GOG exclusive? In any case I agree, about the revenue bit especially. And that's really what I meant about "a major release making the difference". Something to the level of Cyberpunk or Witcher 3. I know it's a longshot, but I'm hoping for some more Blizzard classics to eventually make their way here. Maybe that will help.

As for GOG seemingly being a place for indies, that's also true, but I was acually surprised a few weeks back when I thought about recreating my GOG library on Steam if GOG were to ever disappear. I noticed that a few games I own here (Neverwinter Nights 2 and Clive Barker's Undying for example) aren't even available on Steam. No idea why, of course, but it made me think that even if GOG sticks with old/indie games, there will still be a place for them seeing as some oldies don't seem to make it to Steam, let alone EGS.

Anyway, probably like many, I'm hoping for the best but preparing for the worst.
Post edited March 17, 2022 by AKassimov
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