Elmofongo: Well that is what Jim Sterling said in one of his vids.

groze: I've read all of the blue posts and nowhere in them did I find substance to all the speculation you all have been trying to pass out as fact and things that undoubtedly will come to pass.

You talk a lot about values and core principles, but apparently only when it comes to companies. Consumers that only care about price and money and go all bitchy when this happens, foreshadowing the worst possible outcome, giving GOG no chance and engaging in conspiracy theories, hypothetical reasoning and fear leverage spreading, dressing it as "pragmatic worries", going to buy a DRM version of a game on some other digital distributor sure are very morally entitled to talk about values and core principles, right?

And, please, stop talking as if those of us not overreacting like egotistical cry-babies were all douches with no respect for your concerns. First of all, that's not true. Secondly, you are on no righteous quest of any sort to uphold core values and ethical principles, all most of you are doing is misinterpreting what GOG said and seeing things where there's absolutely nothing to be seen -- yet, at least.

Most of us don't go around spamming "it doesn't affect me, lol" -- in fact, I didn't see a single post of that nature, so far. Please, stop making things up, either regarding this situation or people that aren't overreacting and prefer to take the sensible course of action and waiting to see where this leads us. Other than that, keep complaining all you want, GOG are unethical monsters in your disappointed eyes, but somehow they haven't been censoring any of this, they didn't close the thread, they addressed, to the best the NDAs let them, pretty much all of your inflated concerns, so, use the thread to express your anger, I'm OK with that, everyone has the right to speak their mind, as long as they keep things civil.

nikmousa: A rather quick post from me (didn't have time to read 133pages!)

If I am getting this straight, there will be SOME games that cost euros instead of dollars (at least for me).

So instead of paypal making the conversion of, let's say 10$ = 7.22euros or smth like that, there will be a 7.22euro price tag at GOG.com to begin with? And the price will slightly fluctuate daily? That's more or less the same tbh

or

It's gonna be smth like 10dollars = 10euros flat? I really hope that's not the case. That's horrid!

PS
I just noticed that the humble store (not the Humble Bundle) changed to euros!
Although they state that:
-Humble Pricing is an automated price that is updated every night based on the US dollar price of the game.
-...we recognize that it doesn’t make sense for every developer or publisher. We also give them the option to provide an MSRP for each currency or region

Starbound moved from 15$ to 14euros. I guess that's the 2nd option.
Are we to expect smth similar? I'm a little confused :s

DF1871: another 20% are games that can be aquired on Fan-sites for free as abandonware

Niggles: Buy it straight from the devs. Better deal.
http://playstarbound.com/store/

Cavalary: All right, was saying I just moved you straight from the strong support list to the boycott list and won't bother with anything else, but let's try a somewhat more reasonable message after just letting off a bit of steam Friday. This is darn difficult, mind you.

Regional pricing for on-line sales is wrong. There's absolutely no excuse or justification for it. For physical sales there are varying taxes, transportation costs, the shares taken by the various shops themselves and wildly varying bills, rent and wages those stores have to pay. On-line, nobody can argue that it costs 0.01 USD to send a certain number of bits to the US and 5.46 EUR to send it to the EU for a 19.99 USD / 19.99 EUR game (even 0.46 EUR would still be entirely unreasonable, if it'd be 19.99 USD / 14.99 EUR), and let's not even mention the even more outrageous situation for Australia / New Zealand. Hence, publishers merely do it because they can get away with it, there's absolutely nothing that can be said to justify it or your choice to give in to this.

When you gave in for The Witcher 2, it was as a result of a court order, after a lengthy court battle that you lost, and you tried to make up for it with some store credit and even "broke" the geo-IP for a while to allow people to pick their location when buying that as well, which incidentally was an even greater plus for those same Aussies who had even worse problems than pricing to worry about. In that case, you fought for us, the customers, and alongside us, and even though you lost one battle, you did what you could to make it so we won't lose it as well. And it was just one battle in a war, it happens, moving on.

Now, however, with this announcement, you did not lose a battle, you simply surrendered in the war, and contrary to what you said, you are pissing on our heads and telling us it's raining. As that video people have been sharing proves, only last summer you were saying this will never happen, that if you ever allow for any dent in your values that's the end of GOG, and just two months ago someone from support told me regional pricing will never happen, and now... There is nothing you can say to justify this or make it tolerable. Nothing! You had two clear, specific, core values, DRM-free and flat price worldwide. You gave up on one of them. It's not a question of slippery slope, of potential consequences to the no-DRM stance in the future as well or anything else, not right now and not specifically at least. It's a question of betraying one of your two core principles, and therefore betraying us. And hiding it in a so-called positive announcement, hiding your traces by making that video private, trying to justify it in who knows what way now is not making it any better, but worse.

As I saw someone else put it at some point on here, people like sales, coupons, free stuff, etc. everywhere, but people loved GOG. You were the good guys, you fought for us and we fought for you. Some people bought dozens or even hundreds of games on here (even if on big sales) just to support you, not because they absolutely wanted them, and definitely not because they needed to get them legally anywhere. Others shared your news, your offers, your announcements, supported you in other ways, persuaded friends and acquaintances to join GOG, make purchases as well, spread the word even further. It wasn't a client - store business relationship, it was an emotional attachment because it truly felt as if we were in this fight against the other, evil, businesses in this industry together. And you now proved not to be the case. That's a betrayal, and the reaction to this, the rejection, will be just as emotional and vehement and steadfast as the support used to be, and possibly even more so.

If you were so desperate to get publishers too rotten to allow for fair prices for some of their games in one shop among several, just to count the major ones, you could, at the very worst, make an entirely separate site, without any visible connection to GOG, ran by an entirely different team, that would sell just those games, and leave GOG as it was. That'd have still been a blow, but it'd at least have been something else, wouldn't have soiled GOG directly.

If you truly believe you'll get many games like this, you could still do that. Once you get, say, 50 or so under those terms, new, DRM-free but not fair priced, make another site, selling just those games, without negatively affecting GOG. Guarantee that GOG will maintain its principles, so including the fair flat price one, and still get at least 150 new releases per year (100 from the old two games at least three years old per week rule, rounding down to give a week off during the summer sale and one during the winter sale, and 50 more to justify the fact that you decided to stop focusing just on those "older" games some time ago - which incidentally started the slippery slope that led to this, mind you), and put the others on said other site, with the rule that they may not stay there with non-flat prices more than two years after being included in the catalog or more than three years after launch, whichever comes first. Then, once you can get a publisher to accept flat pricing for one of those games, move it to GOG too, but if you can't get such an agreement before the game is on that other site for two years or three years have passed since it was first released, whichever comes first, it will be removed from that other site and forgotten about, since the point wouldn't be to cater to rotten unreasonable publisher demands forever, but just to provide a gradual way in for them towards a fair model. And either way name and shame, spell out precisely which publisher made this rotten demand and what they said to your attempts to persuade them otherwise.

Again, this other site idea would still be a blow, would still be a betrayal, but not as much of one and at least it'd be a betrayal by CD Projekt (which won't exactly be a first if you recall the going after Witcher 2 "pirates" bit or the fact that they just signed a distribution deal for Witcher 3 with the same rotten <bleep> who forced you into the regional pricing for Witcher 2), not by GOG.

Sorry for the length, but... I guess that's as reasonable as I can get. Adding any game on GOG with regional pricing, or of course adding region locks or other such things that may follow, is not tolerable under any circumstances. Period.

amok: 'Abandonware' is not a legal term, and just a justification for a particular type of piracy where the game is no longer available in any legal form, and the IP holders no longer cares (or even exists).

As soon as a game becomes available for sale anywhere, it de facto stops being 'abandonware'.

Bloodygoodgames: One of the best posts I've ever read on GOG.

Period. And I agree with everything you say 100 percent.

Pheace: I wonder if the games that are coming here will be DRM-free only on GOG.

The argument 'It's regional pricing or no DRM-free game' has some merit to it. But a lot less so if it could've been bought elsewhere DRM-free already. Then it just comes down to 'It's regional pricing or we won't be able to sell it here'.

Pheace: I wonder if the games that are coming here will be DRM-free only on GOG.

The argument 'It's regional pricing or no DRM-free game' has some merit to it. But a lot less so if it could've been bought elsewhere DRM-free anyway. Then it just comes down to 'It's regional pricing or we won't be able to sell it to you'.