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Posted July 11, 2019
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Themken: Best prices today within short distance from me:

8 cores- Ryzen 7 3700X €282 (U$D 318) + VAT
6 cores- Ryzen 5 3600X €209 (U$D 236) + VAT

So on top of those prices I will need to pay VAT and the lowest bus fare, which is just a tad under the cheapest P&P (S&H in USA).

The competing Intel processors are discounted this week to make choosing even harder.

The new motherboards are expensive and RAM is getting hard to find at reasonable prices already :-(
Buy a B450 Tomahawk and use its BIOS Flashback feature.
Posted July 11, 2019
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1mikey1: Buy a B450 Tomahawk and use its BIOS Flashback feature.
Not a bad idea as there are no B550s yet but there are already some motherboards with the 400 series chipset that carry the sticker telling they are ready for the Ryzen 3000 series and those are viable too.

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How close are the fastest graphics cards to saturating the PCIe 3.0 bus (I think you call it bus)? If nowhere near, saving a pretty penny grabbing an older motherboard seems like a reasonable thing to do for home use.
Post edited July 11, 2019 by Themken
Posted July 11, 2019
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Dray2k: I'd rather spend 200 bucks for a cpu that is 10% slower than the same deal which costs 150 dollars more. Now the gap is even more slim and price per performance CPUs even more effective. And since the competition is so strong now we can expect vastly better CPUs in the very near future.
Comparing to Ryzen 5 1600 released in 2017. for $200, they've made a huge jump in performance just in 2 years with Ryzen 5 3600, which is up to 35% faster in games and up to 45% faster in multi-task workloads for the same money.
Posted July 11, 2019
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Dray2k: I'd rather spend 200 bucks for a cpu that is 10% slower than the same deal which costs 150 dollars more. Now the gap is even more slim and price per performance CPUs even more effective. And since the competition is so strong now we can expect vastly better CPUs in the very near future.
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PainOfSalvation: Comparing to Ryzen 5 1600 released in 2017. for $200, they've made a huge jump in performance just in 2 years with Ryzen 5 3600, which is up to 35% faster in games and up to 45% faster in multi-task workloads for the same money.
Yeah its absolutely incredible how quick they're progressing in speeds even 2 years apart.

Now that they're close to Intel, we might be seing a even higher increase in speed (IPCs or otherwise). Competition can really spark things up and since AMD has probably learned from [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulldozer_(microarchitecture)]Bulldozer[/url] I fairly believe that they might keep up the race.
Post edited July 11, 2019 by Dray2k
Posted July 11, 2019
Is there any news of the future replacement of Athlon 240GE, the sub $90 CPU?
Posted July 11, 2019
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Dray2k: Now that they're close to Intel, we might be seing a even higher increase in speed (IPCs or otherwise).
Zen 2 IPC already surpassed Intel 9th gen 9900K by 7%.

https://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/amd_ryzen_7_3700x_ryzen_9_3900x_review,9.html

@zlaywal: No words yet about 300 and 320GE.

https://twitter.com/TUM_APISAK/status/1123048023318122496
Posted July 11, 2019
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PainOfSalvation: @zlaywal: No words yet about 300 and 320GE.

https://twitter.com/TUM_APISAK/status/1123048023318122496
Thanks, after some quick search I found these:

https://www.archynewsy.com/the-amd-athlon-300ge-and-320ge-hybrid-processors-are-coming-soon-news-overclockers-ua/

It really depends on the graphic improvement. If they upgrade the Vega 3 to Vega 9, the basic PC market is in AMD grasp.
Posted July 11, 2019
Yes, Intel wins in some programs by a small margin, most importantly the majority of games, by being able to clock higher and responding very nicely to higher clocks too. There seem to be problems with overclocking the new Ryzens aside from them not going much higher than stock clocks. Hopefully things can get fixed with software or maybe a small hardware change will be needed in the form of a new stepping.
Posted July 11, 2019
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DetouR6734: Customers losing? what because of their own stupidity? how many YEARS has Intel taken advantage of being #1 with no competition? every new chip requires a whole new socket, which requires a new motherboard, every fucking time. But all the numpties threw their money at Intel.

I had an AMD Phenom II 965 BE, lasted until i bought the Ryzen 2700x shortly after release, so what.. 10 years give or take a bit?

Sure it struggled in the latter years, but damn the improvements since then have been laughable, and i was still hesitant to buy an Intel considering how scummy they have been. They deserve the shit they are in.

Yeah by the time Ray Tracing really comes into play Nvidia will have it's next set of cards lined up with even better performance on it.

One never rushes for the new tech that is in it's infancy unless you have a shitload of cash to blow on whatever you want, much like HDR, expensive for what it is and not worth the price, not yet anyway, as hardly any games benefit from it.

PhysX was another, i remember the separate PCI Cards for it.
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zeroxxx: No competition means AMD's fault, not Intel. Intel can be lazy because AMD can not do the competitor's job properly
Don't blame AMD for your own stupidty either, if you choose to upgrade for a piddly % thats your fault and Intel fleeced you for everything you got.


Though AMD will get just as greedy if they are at Intels level by the time another CEO takesover.
Post edited July 11, 2019 by DetouR6734
Posted July 12, 2019
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1mikey1: Buy a B450 Tomahawk and use its BIOS Flashback feature.
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Themken: Not a bad idea as there are no B550s yet but there are already some motherboards with the 400 series chipset that carry the sticker telling they are ready for the Ryzen 3000 series and those are viable too.

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How close are the fastest graphics cards to saturating the PCIe 3.0 bus (I think you call it bus)? If nowhere near, saving a pretty penny grabbing an older motherboard seems like a reasonable thing to do for home use.
BIOS Flashback means you can flash the BIOS without a CPU (there's a USB socket on the motherboard itself in such models). No need for '3000 series ready' stickers etc, all you need is the internet to download the compatible BIOS and a USB stick. They seem to have learned from the problems they had with 2000 series launch compatibility.

IIRC a 2080Ti will saturate a PCIe 3.0 8x socket, just, but not PCIe 16x. And with SLI basically deprecated everyone ought to have their cards in the 16x slot anyway.
Posted July 12, 2019
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Themken: Not a bad idea as there are no B550s yet but there are already some motherboards with the 400 series chipset that carry the sticker telling they are ready for the Ryzen 3000 series and those are viable too.

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How close are the fastest graphics cards to saturating the PCIe 3.0 bus (I think you call it bus)? If nowhere near, saving a pretty penny grabbing an older motherboard seems like a reasonable thing to do for home use.
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Phasmid: BIOS Flashback means you can flash the BIOS without a CPU (there's a USB socket on the motherboard itself in such models). No need for '3000 series ready' stickers etc, all you need is the internet to download the compatible BIOS and a USB stick. They seem to have learned from the problems they had with 2000 series launch compatibility.

IIRC a 2080Ti will saturate a PCIe 3.0 8x socket, just, but not PCIe 16x. And with SLI basically deprecated everyone ought to have their cards in the 16x slot anyway.
SLI! Buy ANOTHER card and get 30% PERFORMANCE INCREASE!*







*It will only work correctly with a handful of games, so goodluck with that!



As if spending double the amount for a piddly 30% was worth it, they should have had a 70% reduction on the second cards retail price. But considering it wasn't exactly easy to get working and caused more problems than it was worth, it was never going to be worth it..
Post edited July 12, 2019 by DetouR6734
Posted July 12, 2019
SLI was briefly actually useful when "Physx" was a thing and you could use your old card together with your new card and have the old card handle all the physics calculations. That was cool for games like Mirror's Edge and Batman Arkham Asylum.

Buying two high-end cards and running them together was always a silly thing people with too much money did to feel cool.
Posted July 12, 2019
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Phasmid: BIOS Flashback means you can flash the BIOS without a CPU (there's a USB socket on the motherboard itself in such models). No need for '3000 series ready' stickers etc, all you need is the internet to download the compatible BIOS and a USB stick. They seem to have learned from the problems they had with 2000 series launch compatibility.
Yes, I understood but good with an explanation for those who did not.
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Phasmid: IIRC a 2080Ti will saturate a PCIe 3.0 8x socket, just, but not PCIe 16x.
I see, thank you! So PCIe 4.0 in a gaming pc is only good for faster storage then and by the time the graphics cards will be seriously limited by bandwidth, your processor will likey be limiting too and you need a new motherboard and processor. Conclusion: a B450 motherboard is a smart place to save a bit.

EDIT: It seems the above was not quite 100% true for a select few games. See link to test two posts below this one!
Post edited July 13, 2019 by Themken
Posted July 12, 2019
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StingingVelvet: SLI was briefly actually useful when "Physx" was a thing and you could use your old card together with your new card and have the old card handle all the physics calculations. That was cool for games like Mirror's Edge and Batman Arkham Asylum.

Buying two high-end cards and running them together was always a silly thing people with too much money did to feel cool.
well, but then it was't real multi gpu - you just had one gpu and one dedicated physics card
Posted July 12, 2019
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1mikey1: Buy a B450 Tomahawk and use its BIOS Flashback feature.
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Themken: Not a bad idea as there are no B550s yet but there are already some motherboards with the 400 series chipset that carry the sticker telling they are ready for the Ryzen 3000 series and those are viable too.

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How close are the fastest graphics cards to saturating the PCIe 3.0 bus (I think you call it bus)? If nowhere near, saving a pretty penny grabbing an older motherboard seems like a reasonable thing to do for home use.
AMD Ryzen 9 3900X Tested on Cheap B350 Motherboard

PCI-Express 4.0 Performance Scaling with Radeon RX 5700 XT
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