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richlind33: Anyone have thoughts / insight about when/if Ryzen can reach 5GHz?
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greeklover: Not now, be happy with a stable 4GHz. The second generation Zen+ is being released until the summer so we'll see what it has to offer
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MadalinStroe: Not yet, the recently released Ryzen 2000 series are just 200Mhz faster. So hopes are that the best ones, might be overclocked to 4.5. We'll have to wait for the next iteration, Ryzen 2.
I'm curious because clock speed still trumps cores/threads when it comes to gaming. If Ryzen can reach 5GHz, or close to it, it'll rip Intel a new arsehole because gaming performance is the only significant advantage Intel has to justify it's insane pricing.
Post edited February 13, 2018 by richlind33
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greeklover: Not now, be happy with a stable 4GHz. The second generation Zen+ is being released until the summer so we'll see what it has to offer
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richlind33: I'm curious because clock speed still trumps cores/threads when it comes to gaming. If Ryzen can reach 5GHz, or close to it, it'll rip Intel a new arsehole because gaming performance is the only significant advantage Intel has to justify it's insane pricing.
Clock speed is not everything. There is also IPC (Instructions Per clock Cycle). A CPU does not need a fast clock if it can perform more instructions in each clock cycle, and we have been seeing more improvements in that department.
If you check out top performing CPUs that cost many thousands of dollars you will see that they don't excel on the MHz race.
Personally I don't expect to see 5GHz as a regular working frequency in the following years.
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richlind33: I'm curious because clock speed still trumps cores/threads when it comes to gaming. If Ryzen can reach 5GHz, or close to it, it'll rip Intel a new arsehole because gaming performance is the only significant advantage Intel has to justify it's insane pricing.
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Gede: Clock speed is not everything. There is also IPC (Instructions Per clock Cycle). A CPU does not need a fast clock if it can perform more instructions in each clock cycle, and we have been seeing more improvements in that department.
If you check out top performing CPUs that cost many thousands of dollars you will see that they don't excel on the MHz race.
Personally I don't expect to see 5GHz as a regular working frequency in the following years.
Certainly if you do more than game, but it remains the 2nd biggest factor effecting gaming performance on average, behind which GPU you're using.

I'd probably shell out for an i9 if Intel wasn't gimping it's processors because Rampage Extreme is a mobo to die for. But what a dick move substituting toothpaste for solder! It's pretty much shit compared to Sandy Bridge, like just about everything else they've done since. Which leaves me choosing between an i7 8700K, or Ryzen 1700 or 1800x. Ryzen looks more promising down the road but I need something now, so I may have to hold my nose and stay with Intel for a few more years, which is disappointing.


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Ganni1987: I saw this one but it seems to be only 1 model so far, and it's more likely being targeted for laptops. If Ryzen APU's prove to be a success (in my opinion they will), Intel might have to adapt their next lineup, just as they did with i3 quad core.
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DreamedArtist: I love having selection and seeing this is good for everyone when AMD and INTEL can work together and maybe have a baby and create something beastly someday for us. but for now this is a good first step in something good.
The last thing I want to see is Intel and AMD getting friendly because more likely than not it'll mean collusion.
Post edited February 14, 2018 by richlind33
https://videocardz.com/75194/amd-ryzen-2000-series-exposed-pricing-performance-leaked

Looks like second generation of Ryzen processors will be launched on April 19th:

Ryzen 7 2700X 8C/16T 3.7 - 4.35GHz 105W 369 USD

Ryzen 7 2700 8C/16T 3.2 - 4.1GHz 65W 299 USD

Ryzen 5 2600X 6C/12C 3.6 - 4.25GHz 95W 249 USD

Ryzen 5 2600 6C/12T 3.3 - 3.9GHZ 65W 199 USD

No info about Ryzen 7 2800X.

True or fake, we will see soon.
https://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-7-2700x-3dmark-benchmarks-leaked-18-faster-vs-1700x-cheaper/

The only change from previous data is Ryzen 5 2600 base clock being 3.4 (not 3.3). Also it seems that the Ryzen 7 2700X will be the flagship of the 2nd gen Ryzen.
Ashes of the Singularity benchmark, crazy preset, 1440p: https://imgur.com/fpzR1b8

2700X is 24% faster on average than 1800X.
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PainOfSalvation: Ashes of the Singularity benchmark, crazy preset, 1440p: https://imgur.com/fpzR1b8

2700X is 24% faster on average than 1800X.
This is all great but AMD should know that without gpus at logical prices no gamer is buying these to build a new pc
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PainOfSalvation: Ashes of the Singularity benchmark, crazy preset, 1440p: https://imgur.com/fpzR1b8

2700X is 24% faster on average than 1800X.
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greeklover: This is all great but AMD should know that without gpus at logical prices no gamer is buying these to build a new pc
Don't worry, ASRock is coming to the rescue! :p

https://videocardz.com/75606/asrock-radeon-rx-500-phantom-gaming-series-leaked
Some more news before launch:

https://wccftech.com/full-amd-ryzen-2000-lineup-listed-on-amazon-priced-cheaper-than-previously-reported/
I've been pleased with my Ryzen, now I just need a new GPU soon-ish.
Ryzen laptops are finally starting to show up!

I'm looking to replace my ~5 year old Intel / nvidia laptop in the next 6 months or so, so I'm pretty excited about this! As a Linux user, I'd much rather use Ryzen / Vega with mesa than have to use the nvidia proprietary blob.

So far as I can see, there is a total of 1 Ryzen laptop available that meets my needs (13" - 14"): Dell Inspiron 13 7000 2 in 1. Lenovo also has a 13" Ryzen, but it's single channel memory only, which really hurts the APU's graphic performance. Otherwise they all seem to be 15" & 17" so far.
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hummer010: ... but it's single channel memory only,...
Sometimes it is just that they have only installed a single RAM module and when you add another you will get your dual channel. I am not saying that is the case this time and seeing how the reviews agree that single channel is heavily detrimental to performance, that is to be avoided. Sorry not looking up the model in question.
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Themken: Sometimes it is just that they have only installed a single RAM module and when you add another you will get your dual channel. I am not saying that is the case this time and seeing how the reviews agree that single channel is heavily detrimental to performance, that is to be avoided. Sorry not looking up the model in question.
The Lenovo model appears to be soldered single channel 8GB stick. There is no option to upgrade from Lenovo, and reports are, there isn't a second slot. Dumb.

Dell has two models (at least in Canada), one is a Ryzen 5 2500U / Vega 8 the other is a Ryzen 7 2700U / Vega 10. The Ryzen 7 comes with 12GB of RAM. That has to be 1x8GB and 1x4GB, right? How does that work in dual channel?
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hummer010: ... comes with 12GB of RAM. That has to be 1x8GB and 1x4GB, right? How does that work in dual channel?
My understanding is that it does not. Very bad for the graphics performance ==> avoid. Unless that is 16GB with 4GB reserved for the graphics. I doubt that but just to give them the doubt.
Theoretically 8+4GB will work as dual channel up to 8 GB (all the 4GB stick and first 4GB of the 8GB) so long as the MB supports it ('x-channel mode', iirc) and the sticks are otherwise compatible for dual channel, the extra 4GB on the 8GB will be single channel. Otherwise yeah, it's 12GB single channel.

If it does have support it should be specified somewhere in the documentation though it's likely too specialised a question for general tech spec info.