It seems that you're using an outdated browser. Some things may not work as they should (or don't work at all).
We suggest you upgrade newer and better browser like: Chrome, Firefox, Internet Explorer or Opera

×
avatar
Hellsteeth30: I certainly support the games being sold separately. The EE edition of BG II has not been overly enjoyable, when it decides not to crash to desktop it still has annoying niggles everywhere. It doesn't feel right.

So if I buy anymore Infinity engine games, I would like the originals without having to buy the EE editions as I don't support what Beamdog have gotten up to with them at all. I mean Planescape is available separately for now but that may disappear as an option now the "enhanced" edition has surfaced.
Not "may", it *is* going to disappear and only be bundled with the EE just like BG and IWD. I believe you can expect that on the 11th when PS:T:EE comes out. Let Hasbro know you don't like this bundling and will vote with your wallet as ValamirCleaver said in the post I linked to above.
low rated
Beamdog is doing the bundling. Not Hasbro. The official statement about the bundling came from Beamdog too.
low rated
avatar
Stig79: Beamdog is doing the bundling. Not Hasbro. The official statement about the bundling came from Beamdog too.
I didn't say Hasbro was doing the bundling, but if you want any chance at all of unbundling, you'll talk to Hasbro since they *own* the rights. Even the game pages for the classics shows Hasbro as the publisher.

As I asked in the other thread, why do you argue so hard against DOING something to get these unbundled, however little you might believe it'll help? It's the only option you've got. Complaining about or asking Beamdog isn't going to help. What are you trying to accomplish, because it certainly doesn't seem to be trying to get these unbundled?
low rated
avatar
Stig79: Beamdog is doing the bundling. Not Hasbro. The official statement about the bundling came from Beamdog too.
avatar
plan99: I didn't say Hasbro was doing the bundling, but if you want any chance at all of unbundling, you'll talk to Hasbro since they *own* the rights. Even the game pages for the classics shows Hasbro as the publisher.

As I asked in the other thread, why do you argue so hard against DOING something to get these unbundled, however little you might believe it'll help? It's the only option you've got. Complaining about or asking Beamdog isn't going to help. What are you trying to accomplish, because it certainly doesn't seem to be trying to get these unbundled?
I wasn't arguing that nobody should do anything about it. Far from it. But asking Beamdog to unbundle it might work just as well as asking Hasbro about it.
low rated
avatar
plan99: ***however little you might believe it'll help***
avatar
Stig79: I wasn't arguing that nobody should do anything about it. Far from it. But asking Beamdog to unbundle it might work just as well as asking Hasbro about it.
Nice excuse to do nothing. Actually, you're STILL arguing against doing the only thing that MIGHT help. Do it or don't. If you do nothing, you've already lost and have no right to complain.

I'll tell you an old story I heard long ago. A woman was walking through an alley at night and was attacked and stabbed. She screamed for help and people in the buildings around opened their windows to see what was going on. The woman was stabbed again while these people watched from above. She kept screaming and these people just kept watching. They did nothing - they were all too afraid to do anything. Not a single one thought to yell or throw things to scare away the attacker or to call the police or to gather together with whatever they could find and chase the attacker away. If just one had done something, the others probably would've followed their lead. The problem is, they were all waiting for someone ELSE to make the first move, so no one did anything. The woman was stabbed several more times before she died. They did NOTHING and NOTHING changed. Actually, things probably got worse in their area of town and they probably complained about it.

"If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice"
-- Rush (I forget the name of the song)

I don't know why you seem so afraid to contact Hasbro. Can it hurt so much? No, it isn't the same as contacting Beamdog - there's zero chance there. If enough people tell Hasbro they're voting with their wallets on EVERYTHING Hasbro related, as ValamirCleaver said in the post I linked to above, who knows. Do you really expect anyone to believe that's no better than contacting Beamdog? Again, do it or don't but quit arguing or complaining here if you're NOT. GOING. TO. DO. ANYTHING. If you insist on doing nothing and continuing to argue and complain, do it somewhere else.
low rated
avatar
Stig79: I wasn't arguing that nobody should do anything about it. Far from it. But asking Beamdog to unbundle it might work just as well as asking Hasbro about it.
avatar
plan99: Nice excuse to do nothing. Actually, you're STILL arguing against doing the only thing that MIGHT help. Do it or don't. If you do nothing, you've already lost and have no right to complain.

I'll tell you an old story I heard long ago. A woman was walking through an alley at night and was attacked and stabbed. She screamed for help and people in the buildings around opened their windows to see what was going on. The woman was stabbed again while these people watched from above. She kept screaming and these people just kept watching. They did nothing - they were all too afraid to do anything. Not a single one thought to yell or throw things to scare away the attacker or to call the police or to gather together with whatever they could find and chase the attacker away. If just one had done something, the others probably would've followed their lead. The problem is, they were all waiting for someone ELSE to make the first move, so no one did anything. The woman was stabbed several more times before she died. They did NOTHING and NOTHING changed. Actually, things probably got worse in their area of town and they probably complained about it.

"If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice"
-- Rush (I forget the name of the song)

I don't know why you seem so afraid to contact Hasbro. Can it hurt so much? No, it isn't the same as contacting Beamdog - there's zero chance there. If enough people tell Hasbro they're voting with their wallets on EVERYTHING Hasbro related, as ValamirCleaver said in the post I linked to above, who knows. Do you really expect anyone to believe that's no better than contacting Beamdog? Again, do it or don't but quit arguing or complaining here if you're NOT. GOING. TO. DO. ANYTHING. If you insist on doing nothing and continuing to argue and complain, do it somewhere else.
Me suggesting to ask Hasbro AND Beamdog to unbundle the game = Doing nothing? But asking only Hasbro = doing a lot?

I don't follow your logic at all here. I was just adding a second option, I wasn't telling people NOT to contact Hasbro.

Think before posting, please.
avatar
Stig79: I wasn't arguing that nobody should do anything about it. Far from it. But asking Beamdog to unbundle it might work just as well as asking Hasbro about it.
avatar
plan99: Nice excuse to do nothing. Actually, you're STILL arguing against doing the only thing that MIGHT help. Do it or don't. If you do nothing, you've already lost and have no right to complain.

I'll tell you an old story I heard long ago. A woman was walking through an alley at night and was attacked and stabbed. She screamed for help and people in the buildings around opened their windows to see what was going on. The woman was stabbed again while these people watched from above. She kept screaming and these people just kept watching. They did nothing - they were all too afraid to do anything. Not a single one thought to yell or throw things to scare away the attacker or to call the police or to gather together with whatever they could find and chase the attacker away. If just one had done something, the others probably would've followed their lead. The problem is, they were all waiting for someone ELSE to make the first move, so no one did anything. The woman was stabbed several more times before she died. They did NOTHING and NOTHING changed. Actually, things probably got worse in their area of town and they probably complained about it.

"If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice"
-- Rush (I forget the name of the song)

I don't know why you seem so afraid to contact Hasbro. Can it hurt so much? No, it isn't the same as contacting Beamdog - there's zero chance there. If enough people tell Hasbro they're voting with their wallets on EVERYTHING Hasbro related, as ValamirCleaver said in the post I linked to above, who knows. Do you really expect anyone to believe that's no better than contacting Beamdog? Again, do it or don't but quit arguing or complaining here if you're NOT. GOING. TO. DO. ANYTHING. If you insist on doing nothing and continuing to argue and complain, do it somewhere else.
Yes, Beamdog's actions are totally comparable to someone stabbing a woman to death in an alley. Good grief!
avatar
Stig79: Me suggesting to ask Hasbro AND Beamdog to unbundle the game = Doing nothing? But asking only Hasbro = doing a lot?

I don't follow your logic at all here. I was just adding a second option, I wasn't telling people NOT to contact Hasbro.

Think before posting, please.
If that's the case, I apologize. Your wording, "But asking Beamdog to unbundle it might work just as well as asking Hasbro about it", led me to believe you were saying that talking to Hasbro would be just as useless as talking to Beamdog. Your recent argumentative and sometimes rude posts in other threads didn't help. That would include the last line of the post I'm quoting. In light of my apology and explanation, maybe you should take your own advice. That's *always* a "polite" way of calling someone stupid.
avatar
crumb24: Yes, Beamdog's actions are totally comparable to someone stabbing a woman to death in an alley. Good grief!
No, it's an analogy. I hope you're not just trying to start an argument.
low rated
avatar
plan99: "If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice" -- Rush (I forget the name of the song)
Freewill

http://songmeanings.com/songs/view/3458764513820550506/

https://youtu.be/0ZGp8ln2gCk?t=1m15s
avatar
plan99: "If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice" -- Rush (I forget the name of the song)
avatar
ValamirCleaver: Freewill

http://songmeanings.com/songs/view/3458764513820550506/

https://youtu.be/0ZGp8ln2gCk?t=1m15s
Ah, thanks! I'm always remembering the parts of their songs that resonate with me. I should've remembered that, since "I will choo-oose Freewill."
I've sent an email to Hasbro, asking about the possibilitiy of getting BG, IWD and PS:T unbundled. Not much hope left, but I can say that at least I'm trying my best to do something.
Post edited April 10, 2017 by Tuthrick
avatar
Tuthrick: I've sent an email to Hasbro, asking about the possibilitiy of getting BG, IWD and PS:T unbundled. Not much hope left, but I can say that at least I'm trying my best to do something.
Cool, thanks! Every wallet that takes a stand against them helps. :)
I was curious what would be Beamdog's response, so I've sent them an email as well asking about the possibility of reverting the bundled BG, IWD and PS:T with EEs and here's the response that I got today:

Beamdog Support (Customer Support)

Apr 13, 08:19 MDT

Hello Adam,

Thanks for contacting Beamdog support. My name is Charles, and I will be assisting you.

I am sorry you believe that we are the cause of this, but I can assure you we have no say in what other retailers do with our titles (discounts/bundles, etc).

That being said, GOG brought the idea to our attention and over a year ago Cameron decided that it was a positive choice, I am sorry you are negative towards this, but I want you to know you are supporting the people who make those decisions, and blaming the ones who don't.

We also have no say in what happens to the original versions of the games, we aren't the owners of those and only licensed them to create our Enhanced Editions.

I hope this clarifies things and you have a great day!
-Charles

I must say that I'm quite surprised, as it seems that it was GOG's idea to bundle these games, if I understand it correctly?
low rated
avatar
Tuthrick: I must say that I'm quite surprised, as it seems that it was GOG's idea to bundle these games, if I understand it correctly?
That does appear to be a possible interpretation of the response you quoted as receiving from that Beamdog customer support representative. GOG has obviously had direct dealings with WotC/Hasbro regarding games in the past. You ever take note that GOG is listed as the publisher of these D&D games; Al-Qadim, Dark Sun Series, Krynn Series, Ravenloft Series, Stronghold: Kingdom Simulator, Forgotten Realms - The Archives - Collections 1 to 3? So I guess that much of the ire of the postings in the GOG forums of certain individuals accusing & castigating Beamdog as being the direct cause of the original versions of the Infinity Engines games no longer being available for purchase separately from the Enhanced Editions has been possibly misplaced?...
Attachments:
Post edited April 13, 2017 by ValamirCleaver