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Posted August 20, 2013
Finely ground aliens to take-out.

Shadowgrounds Survivor, a dynamic top-down shooter with swarms of alien horrors to spray with bullets, suggestive visuals, spiffy weapon upgrade system, and four player co-op mode, is now available on GOG.com for only $5.99. With that, its predecessor: Shadowgrounds, receives a Mac version and a permanent price drop to $5.99 as well.

In this indirect continuation of Frozenbyte's exciting alien shooter you'll follow a parallel story of the human commando facing the invasion on the Ganymede colony. The horror creeping in the dark corners of the Universe finally caught up with Terran colonists and the massacre that followed was only survived by a handful of the best trained, bravest, and quickest soldiers. Now it is up to them to put a stop to the extraterrestrial menace that threatens our existence.

Shadowgrounds Survivor delivers non-stop alien-shooting action over the course of 20 diverse missions, and it does so in perfect form. The old-school gameplay concept is paired with very modern visuals. You'll feel the heat of the combat and alien blood splatters as your guns rattle and spit a rain of bullets on your monstrous foes. Are you crazy enough to face the endless waves of beast in the timed survival mode? You can even share the fun with up to three more friends, in the fun and challenging co-op mode. Fun times! Dark and dangerous, but fun.

Humanity needs you again, so grab your upgradeable guns, and seriously kick some alien behind in Shadowgrounds Survivor, for only $5.99.
Posted August 20, 2013
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scooney: ...How could a small time player even hope to compete unless they are doing something that no one else is? You must have a unique niche and that niche is OLD, classic games. ...
Economy isn't a completely rational playground. The craziest things happen. You can also just have a marketing guru (Steve Jobs) or better service or highly skilled and motivated employees. But in general of course size matters. So a niche like classics is nice, but broaden your field and also get a piece of the big cake also seems reasonable. Maybe they already maximized the number of classics they can obtain. Maybe they just don't have many anymore???
Posted August 20, 2013
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Lodium: Well, it was certinly one of the better posts and not the usual entitled i want this and i want that and i want it only my way whining crap.
Sorry if i sound a bit cross, just sick and tired of evrytime i go to this store there has to be always some people that sours the air.

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What about us htat are actually glad GOG went this path?
I want both Old, Indies, classics and new games, and i want it DRM free.
Where shoud i go if GoG go back to Only God old games?
It's not about a binary decision between old and new games. Everyone is fine with new games on GOG. Some of us just want a more fair balance between old and new, and think that 1 classic game a month isn't acceptable, that's all.

No one is "souring the air", if it was just complaining it might be, but people here are explaining their feelings adequately and even offering possible solutions.
Posted August 20, 2013
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Trilarion: But they don't have the games (you could say seeing what is still missing). So the audience is not being feeded (with good non indie titles). While Steam according to my current feeling has the games and a huge audience that doesn't really care about DRM.

Btw. I use both services.
There is still a difference between having a more limited selection of games and having almost no games in a particular category.

I think a lot of people prefer DRM-free to various degrees. For some, it's so little that they'll gladly trade it for a more user-friendly interface (until their internet goes down :P), but for a significant percentage of others, they'll even pay more for the DRM-free alternative and in the case of some hardcore ones, they won't get the game at all unless it's DRM-free.

Threads like these are a huge eye-opener:
http://www.gamespot.com/forums/topic/29305647/pc-gamers-steam-vs-gog-vs-origin-vs-amazon-dd

Some of the posters didn't even know what GOG was, probably because they look for alternatives to buy the more recent titles that interest them, GOG doesn't have it and so it doesn't pop up in the search result.
Post edited August 20, 2013 by Magnitus
Posted August 20, 2013
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Trilarion: Economy isn't a completely rational playground. The craziest things happen. You can also just have a marketing guru (Steve Jobs) or better service or highly skilled and motivated employees. But in general of course size matters. So a niche like classics is nice, but broaden your field and also get a piece of the big cake also seems reasonable. Maybe they already maximized the number of classics they can obtain. Maybe they just don't have many anymore???
The games and their rights are out there, they aren't untouchable, it's just a matter of getting them here. GOG just needs to be more pro-active.
Posted August 20, 2013
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Trilarion: But they don't have the games (you could say seeing what is still missing).
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timppu: You have to start somewhere. GOG has obtained some semi-new AAA titles, and the success of some DRM-free indie games on GOG may help obtaining more.

At least it wouldn't help with that objective, if they just stopped trying.
Sure, as I say for a long time. I don't mind them releasing games I don't like. Somebody else might like them. But if they don't release games I like there is no sense in using GOG, right?

So, the thing is that despite their efforts they just might fail. The last releases aren't really that promising. I wouldn't expect too much now. But we will see. Discussions about the future always end in dissent. Always. :)
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Crosmando: ... The games and their rights are out there, they aren't untouchable, it's just a matter of getting them here. GOG just needs to be more pro-active.
Like maybe killing everyone who refuses to give them the rights? Just a joke. I think we have little to nothing of an idea how much work this really is.
Post edited August 20, 2013 by Trilarion
Posted August 20, 2013
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misfire200: GOG keeps saying...we got lots of surprises...and they love teasing...but holy hell has their lineup been horrible for the last three months. I do not come to GOG to buy games that are in tons of bundles or that are pure crap. I mean...wtf...
Opinions are like assholes. For instance, I couldn't care less if GOG releases SSI GoldBox games, and I'd find it very surprising that many people would want to actually play them properly to this day and age (especially without nostalgia-goggles on). They just haven't aged that well, sorry.

Your mlleage may vary, of course.
Post edited August 20, 2013 by timppu
Posted August 20, 2013
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scooney: ...How could a small time player even hope to compete unless they are doing something that no one else is? You must have a unique niche and that niche is OLD, classic games. ...
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Trilarion: Economy isn't a completely rational playground. The craziest things happen. You can also just have a marketing guru (Steve Jobs) or better service or highly skilled and motivated employees. But in general of course size matters. So a niche like classics is nice, but broaden your field and also get a piece of the big cake also seems reasonable. Maybe they already maximized the number of classics they can obtain. Maybe they just don't have many anymore???
If GOG have problems releasing old games they should tell us. I said this in another thread and why I believe they should tell us is that then this discussion would shift from a infected debate about what kind of games GOG release to how we can help GOG.
Posted August 20, 2013
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misfire200: ...Especially with the new indie submissions, do you really believe that it will not interfere with future classic releases. ...
Yes, I think that these things are quite independent. The new indie releases didn't pose much work for GOG and also didn't take away release slots because in the past they released several titles a day. If they fail to bring classics then not because they also released indies but because of something else. That's what I believe.
Posted August 20, 2013
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Alfie3000: All 38 people who voted for it on the wishlist should be happy.

http://www.gog.com/wishlist/games/shadowgrounds_survivor
A nugget of wit in this windy, acrimonious thread. Sums of it up, really.

Though I'm pretty much in the same camp as SimonG, Bavarian, scooney, etc. Just less vociferous about it.
Posted August 20, 2013
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Trilarion: Economy isn't a completely rational playground. The craziest things happen. You can also just have a marketing guru (Steve Jobs) or better service or highly skilled and motivated employees. But in general of course size matters. So a niche like classics is nice, but broaden your field and also get a piece of the big cake also seems reasonable. Maybe they already maximized the number of classics they can obtain. Maybe they just don't have many anymore???
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Tarm: If GOG have problems releasing old games they should tell us. I said this in another thread and why I believe they should tell us is that then this discussion would shift from a infected debate about what kind of games GOG release to how we can help GOG.
Well, theres also the thing about summer.
It is well known that the summer is called the gaming slump at least when it comes to new titles.
Not sure how it applies to old games but perhaps people are still Having a blast in hawai and dancing hula :P
Though its an unusual long summer since were in August now.
Post edited August 20, 2013 by Lodium
Posted August 20, 2013
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misfire200: ...Especially with the new indie submissions, do you really believe that it will not interfere with future classic releases. ...
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Trilarion: Yes, I think that these things are quite independent. The new indie releases didn't pose much work for GOG and also didn't take away release slots because in the past they released several titles a day. If they fail to bring classics then not because they also released indies but because of something else. That's what I believe.
The cynical pessimist in me say it might be because they've shifted their efforts away from old games. Blues say the haven't and since lying about this would greatly anger a lot of customers I believe them. But I can't wholly dismiss the thought either...
Posted August 20, 2013
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timppu: Opinions are like assholes. For instance, I couldn't care less if GOG releases SSI GoldBox games, and I'd find it very surprising that many people would want to actually play them properly to this day and age (especially without nostalgia-goggles on). They just haven't aged that well, sorry.
It has nothing to do with nostalgia, I was playing Death Knights of Krynn some weeks ago and it was fantastic, gameplay is tight as ever. Anyone who uses the term "nostalgia goggles" is to be ignored, there is no such thing, games are either good or they are not. You certainly won't get character generation and tactics in any modern RPG like in the GB, so they still hold up today.

Seriously, anyone who uses the word "nostalgia goggles" or "aged badly" on GOG of all places needs to get back to Steam ASAP.
Posted August 20, 2013
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JudasIscariot: I can't, sorry. :(
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JinseiNGC224: Instead of giving names or even insinuating dates, the best course of action in this finger-pointing thread would be to simply say "we have lots of old classics on the way in the coming months, some of which will blow your mind"

C'mon say it :D

But seeing that old games are up to agreements and legal rights, sometimes filling in the gap with newer games and spreading out releases is how you keep folks coming back over time. I welcome newer releases. And a good new game today, is a good old game tomorrow. People just don't want their prized classics abandoned (which I know GOG will never abandon, as long as they can obtain rights).

It is, however, important to keep it 50/50 (or 60/40) in more favor of classics.
Do you remember Mind Blowing May? We tried that, I'll let you be the judge of the results :D

All I can honestly say that won't leave people frustrated, hurt, or angry:

We never gave up on the classics, no matter what it looks like on your side of the fence. I wish I could share more info but, as I mention over and over, I can't break my NDA. Sorry.
Posted August 20, 2013
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Tarm: If GOG have problems releasing old games they should tell us. I said this in another thread and why I believe they should tell us is that then this discussion would shift from a infected debate about what kind of games GOG release to how we can help GOG.
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Lodium: Well, theres also the thing about summer.
It is well known that the summer is called the gaming slump at least when it comes to new titles.
Not sure how it applies to old games but perhaps people are still Having a blast in hawai and dancing hula :P
Though its an unusual long summer since were in Agust now.
That's one of the things that still gives me hope for many more old games this year. :)
Posted August 20, 2013
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I purchased Shadowgrounds Survivor just to spite this thread.
Post edited August 20, 2013 by undeadcow
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