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jefequeso: Here's the way I see it: There aren't enough active players at the Moment to get any proper discussion going. Sure, we can have these little one on one fights, but they Are hardly going to solve anything without the weight of the entire Playerbase contributing to them. So we either lynch whoever is looking the most suspicious, or we hope that damn's prodding will eventually have some results.

I Find stoic and robbeasy to be scummy. Once robbeasy gets replaced, everything Is going to be that much more confusing, At least for me (since I go mostly on my gut feeling and my impressions of people's behavior). We could just go ahead and lynch him like we did with damuna--as a way to avoid having to find a replacement.

In Stoic's case, I'm also going on gut feeling. In the argument between him and nfy, he came across as the most scummy to me. However, I also seem to have a weak spot for nfy, so perhaps I'm not going to be able to read her very well. At the moment, I'm going to unvote with a strong fos stoic. I Kinda want to lynch robbeasy--especially since he's still my #1 suspect. However, I'm still something of a mafia newbie, so I'd like to hear some feedback before I propose this as the way to go.
Since the two loose capital letters in the last paragraph as S and K, I keep coming back to this. Can anyone else get anything out of this?
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NotFrenchYet: Since the two loose capital letters in the last paragraph as S and K, I keep coming back to this. Can anyone else get anything out of this?
Nope, and I'm actually mad at myself for not spotting this earlier, because it's so blatantly obvious. I think we'll need jefe to decode this.

(Anyone else having ominous scum-nmillar flashbacks?)
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NotFrenchYet: Since the two loose capital letters in the last paragraph as S and K, I keep coming back to this. Can anyone else get anything out of this?
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bazilisek: Nope, and I'm actually mad at myself for not spotting this earlier, because it's so blatantly obvious. I think we'll need jefe to decode this.

(Anyone else having ominous scum-nmillar flashbacks?)
(A little bit, after I nearly typed "is there anything odd about this"...)

Also, it wasn't really a trap - I just conciously decided to phrase it in a way that would be more likely to generate discussion..!
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NotFrenchYet: Also, it wasn't really a trap - I just conciously decided to phrase it in a way that would be more likely to generate discussion..!
Good call.

On a semi-related note, I somehow never considered that angle until GoJays himself brought it up, but roleblocking a claimed vanilla also isn't a very orthodox night action. Dare I say we seem to have plenty of material for discussion right now?
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NotFrenchYet: Also, it wasn't really a trap - I just conciously decided to phrase it in a way that would be more likely to generate discussion..!
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bazilisek: Good call.

On a semi-related note, I somehow never considered that angle until GoJays himself brought it up, but roleblocking a claimed vanilla also isn't a very orthodox night action. Dare I say we seem to have plenty of material for discussion right now?
Indeed - the whole thing stinks to high heaven if you ask me...
When you put it like that Baz I feel I may have plumped for the wrong lynchee first.
NFY - there was no real reason for voting Stoic over Gojays - they both look guilty to me. But as Baz has pointed out, roleblocking an already claimed vanilla player seems an extremely odd thing to do.

None of it adds up. I suppose its not out of the realm of possibility that Stoic got a PM, but I think its highly unlikely. But , as there is a small chance

unvote Stoicsentry

and

vote GoJays
Right, bloody hell.

Stoic getting a PM despite allegedly being vanilla is interesting, but not completely condemning. I seem to remember having a PM discussion with someone here last year about whether vanillas should know they've been role blocked, it wasn't Damnation though so I have no idea of his opinions on the matter.

GoJay's choice of roleblocking a claimed vanilla is a little weird, not something that would always be considered a waste (since you might not believe their claim). However, the fact that he apparently just forgot makes me think he's either not putting much thought into who to roleblock, or he's up to something. Taken with the slight weirdness of Stoic getting a PM, I'm wondering if they're scumbuddies trying to confirm each other.

On to Jefe's apparent breadcrumb:
Looking at just the anomalous capitals gets me "MAP FIA SK"... I haven't missed any have I? If it wasn't for that P it would spell mafia. I have no idea what to make of it.
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bazilisek: I'll provide the explanation later. As always with me, it's a bit complicated, and I'll probably change my mind once I start typing it up anyway.
I forgot, I'm still waiting on this. D=<
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SirPrimalform: GoJay's choice of roleblocking a claimed vanilla is a little weird, not something that would always be considered a waste (since you might not believe their claim). However, the fact that he apparently just forgot makes me think he's either not putting much thought into who to roleblock, or he's up to something. Taken with the slight weirdness of Stoic getting a PM, I'm wondering if they're scumbuddies trying to confirm each other.
Day 2 was kind of messed up and I truly forgot his claim. I guess it could be seen that we're scumbuddies, but if I were mafia I don't think I'd be wasting my power on him - wouldn't it make more sense to use it to stop a town role instead? Especially since I don't think anyone really suspected stoic in the first place. I was the first person to put my finger on him today, why would I put him (and myself I guess) in the spotlight like that if I didn't actually believe he's a bit scummy?
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GoJays2025: Day 2 was kind of messed up and I truly forgot his claim. I guess it could be seen that we're scumbuddies, but if I were mafia I don't think I'd be wasting my power on him - wouldn't it make more sense to use it to stop a town role instead? Especially since I don't think anyone really suspected stoic in the first place. I was the first person to put my finger on him today, why would I put him (and myself I guess) in the spotlight like that if I didn't actually believe he's a bit scummy?
I think stoic had his share of suspicion on D2. O:)

So you thought he was scummy enough to block, and, per #1467, you also thought he might possibly be the SK?

If I was being paranoid, I'd suggest that there was no block, and that GoJays and stoic are in cahoots (e.g. stoic performed the kill while GoJays claims to have blocked him, or indeed the other way around, GJ performed the kill while Stoic claims being blocked to cover (this one seems more likely)).

But if that's the way this is heading, we definitely need both Bard and Stoic to talk about their blocks.
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NotFrenchYet: If I was being paranoid, I'd suggest that there was no block, and that GoJays and stoic are in cahoots (e.g. stoic performed the kill while GoJays claims to have blocked him, or indeed the other way around, GJ performed the kill while Stoic claims being blocked to cover (this one seems more likely)).

But if that's the way this is heading, we definitely need both Bard and Stoic to talk about their blocks.
That's sort of what I was going for. If they were scumbuddies then they needn't have actually done anything.

Hearing about Bard and Stoic's blocks is a good idea. I'd like to hear from Stoic first.
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NotFrenchYet: So you thought he was scummy enough to block, and, per #1467, you also thought he might possibly be the SK?
Didn't know if he's the SK... can't really say I suspect anyone of being that role actually, but it wasn't bard, so I figured I'll try somebody else and just see what happens: the reactions I get, see if anything is different, or maybe I'll find out who the SK is, if there is one, but it was a shot in the dark. The only real reason why I blocked stoic specifically was because of what I said earlier and also I guess my instincts are kind of crap... I'm not very good at reading people in this game (eg. Krypsyn and NFY NameCop), so the fact that I was kind of trusting stoic to be town the entirety of Day 2 made me think perhaps I should reevaluate my opinions on him.

Anyway, it's an interesting theory you have, but how would we have communicated this plan? There's no way a SK could talk to anyone else right? If anything you could say that Stoic and I are both scum... but if the mafia has the upper hand right now why would one want to waste their block to do nothing but bring attention onto themselves? It wouldn't make sense.
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SirPrimalform: GoJay's choice of roleblocking a claimed vanilla is a little weird, not something that would always be considered a waste (since you might not believe their claim). However, the fact that he apparently just forgot makes me think he's either not putting much thought into who to roleblock, or he's up to something. Taken with the slight weirdness of Stoic getting a PM, I'm wondering if they're scumbuddies trying to confirm each other.
Yes to all of the above.
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NotFrenchYet: If I was being paranoid, I'd suggest that there was no block, and that GoJays and stoic are in cahoots (e.g. stoic performed the kill while GoJays claims to have blocked him, or indeed the other way around, GJ performed the kill while Stoic claims being blocked to cover (this one seems more likely)).

But if that's the way this is heading, we definitely need both Bard and Stoic to talk about their blocks.
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SirPrimalform: That's sort of what I was going for. If they were scumbuddies then they needn't have actually done anything.

Hearing about Bard and Stoic's blocks is a good idea. I'd like to hear from Stoic first.
In my block, I was going to sleep for the night and was hit on the head with a rock. I fell down to the ground, where I was punched. Then I was unconscious.

I was hoping that it would tell me who the blocker was, or give me anything about him/her but it didn't. It just describes the person as "a figure."
Correction to above post: it doesn't explicitly state that I was punched, just implies it.
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I hadn't thought about why I would receive a PM despite not having a role.

Flavor wise it makes sense in that if the blocker is going to attack someone, they should be aware of it.

Game wise it makes sense in that I can verify the rumor that there is a role blocker, though I can't tell you for certainty who it is (it seems everyone accepts GoJays claim here, though, and I see no reason to doubt it.)

Re: the idea of GoJays and I being scumbuddies: how would this work? Do we all agree that Jays is a blocker? If not, who blocked Bard (did anyone)? If so, I guess the idea would be that he would block someone else while saying he blocked me and trusting that the real person who got blocked wouldn't (or couldn't) come forward?

Or are we saying that he is scum, and blocked a buddy just so he could say it so as to divert attention from himself? That seems kinda silly to be quite honest. Why? Well, for one thing, because he wouldn't get to block a real townie then. For another, because there's no way for any of you to verify 100% that he actually blocked me, is there? That would be a weird move on his part.

Also I actually don't think it was strange that he would choose to block me at all. Yes, I've been claiming vanilla but how would he know? I'm not sure if he knows for a fact that I'm vanilla even after doing this, but at the very least he knows that any night actions were not my doing, so he can cross off whatever roles may have been used at night.
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stoicsentry: Game wise it makes sense in that I can verify the rumor that there is a role blocker, though I can't tell you for certainty who it is (it seems everyone accepts GoJays claim here, though, and I see no reason to doubt it.)
Correction, I seem to remember hitting your head with another stone after you fell, not with my fist, although that's not really relevant.

Well there's no denying I'm the role blocker here, unless I have ESP and guessed TB being blocked yesterday (unless you guys start thinking we're in cahoots as well or if another role blocker is involved). And no, I have no idea if you're truly vanilla or not. I don't get information like that, I only know I knocked you out.