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SirPrimalform: It's still the first day! I'm of the opinion that there's not a lot you can actively do on the first day (assuming the scum don't slip up). I have been saying for a little while now that I'd much rather just get on with the game because we're spending too much time looking for something that's not there yet.
Yes, if anyone thinks there is nothing you can do on day 1 there will be nothing to do on day 1.
So you intend to actively scumhunt next day?

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Vitek: Nice one, you've placed it out of context and misattributed which post it's in.
The full and correct quote is:
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Vitek: There's not so much of a reason to push for a lynch now, but I'm going to leave my vote on Damuna because I still feel that she's the more suspicious of the two (?) needing replacement.
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Vitek: It's clear I'm talking about the pushing of Damuna's lynch, not lynching in general. Very much FOS Vitek.
Huh? I haven't attributed it to any post.
If you don't think there is point in pushing for lynch of someone who's got 5 votes why should you believe in lynch of someone else? Add to this your thoughts about who is most likely to get modkilled and it clearly shows you don't expect (and most likely don't want) some lynch to go through, ergo giving up.

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Vitek: I hope that's a joke... =/
No.



It was reason I started looking at you at first but you turned out really bad out of it.
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Vitek: Yes, if anyone thinks there is nothing you can do on day 1 there will be nothing to do on day 1.
So you intend to actively scumhunt next day?
Of course. It's not that I don't intend to do anything on the first day, there's just not a lot go on.

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Vitek: Nice one, you've placed it out of context and misattributed which post it's in.
The full and correct quote is:

It's clear I'm talking about the pushing of Damuna's lynch, not lynching in general. Very much FOS Vitek.
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Vitek: Huh? I haven't attributed it to any post.
If you don't think there is point in pushing for lynch of someone who's got 5 votes why should you believe in lynch of someone else? Add to this your thoughts about who is most likely to get modkilled and it clearly shows you don't expect (and most likely don't want) some lynch to go through, ergo giving up.
What I mean is, when I clicked the little arrow to see where I'd said that it took me to completely the wrong post. I screwed it up even worse when posting the full quote anyway though. :P

I'd certainly prefer a lynch, I was just exploring the moral implications of modkilling one of two people. If I didn't want a lynch I wouldn't have revived a wagon.

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Vitek: I hope that's a joke... =/
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Vitek: No.

It was reason I started looking at you at first but you turned out really bad out of it.
You started concentrating on me in this game because I said you had to wait 'til friday for the answers like everyone else? :P
I don't think that necessarily reflects well on you.
About mis-attributing quotes, look at your last post. You've managed to make it look like you're having a conversation with yourself. :P
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SirPrimalform: About mis-attributing quotes, look at your last post. You've managed to make it look like you're having a conversation with yourself. :P
Wouldn't that be, like, the best forum mafia twist ever? It turns out we're all Vitek!

...

it sounded better in my head... -__-
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SirPrimalform: About mis-attributing quotes, look at your last post. You've managed to make it look like you're having a conversation with yourself. :P
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jefequeso: Wouldn't that be, like, the best forum mafia twist ever? It turns out we're all Vitek!

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it sounded better in my head... -__-
Or what if...all Mafia members are Vitek! :D
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SirPrimalform: Of course. It's not that I don't intend to do anything on the first day, there's just not a lot go on.
You have to actively create stuff, it doesn't magicaly appear in thread. Why do you think there is nothing to do when you do nothing?

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SirPrimalform: What I mean is, when I clicked the little arrow to see where I'd said that it took me to completely the wrong post. I screwed it up even worse when posting the full quote anyway though. :P
So what? How did it matter? Did you think it isn't your post?
It was clearly your quote. I just replied to another your post and then copied that qoute into it manually. Misattributing would mean it was someone's else post and I attributed it to you but it was clearly your post. I am not sure why you do such a fuss about a quote.

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SirPrimalform: I'd certainly prefer a lynch, I was just exploring the moral implications of modkilling one of two people. If I didn't want a lynch I wouldn't have revived a wagon.
Why? Wouldn't it be better to look for that scum as you mentioned before you'd like to find one. Only person you attacked today is Damuna who can't fight back. Quite convenient. And maybe me, but it is only self-defense and you know can't alienate me as I am already against you.

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SirPrimalform: You started concentrating on me in this game because I said you had to wait 'til friday for the answers like everyone else? :P
I don't think that necessarily reflects well on you.
I didn't mean it to reflect well on me. It was certainly not my intention.
Yes, I when we were discussing your giveaway over PM I thought about voting you. That led me to thinking about you seriously and reading your posts. I am not sure again why the way I started thinking about you matters.

There is one reason not ot lynch you, though. Last days it often turns into chat between you and me, with some occasional interruption form others, and if you won't be here I'll turn into spammer who posts without discussion partner. :-)
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SirPrimalform: Of course. It's not that I don't intend to do anything on the first day, there's just not a lot go on.
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Vitek: You have to actively create stuff, it doesn't magicaly appear in thread. Why do you think there is nothing to do when you do nothing?
It depends what you mean by create... I think creating things to pick at is a scummy thing to do. If no one does anything wrong in the first place then there's nothing to pick at. :P

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SirPrimalform: What I mean is, when I clicked the little arrow to see where I'd said that it took me to completely the wrong post. I screwed it up even worse when posting the full quote anyway though. :P
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Vitek: So what? How did it matter? Did you think it isn't your post?
It was clearly your quote. I just replied to another your post and then copied that qoute into it manually. Misattributing would mean it was someone's else post and I attributed it to you but it was clearly your post. I am not sure why you do such a fuss about a quote.
No, I was just confused for a minute because I went to have a look at the context and couldn't find where I'd said that. It's funny anyway because when I gave the full quote I put post 438 instead of 738 and it happened to be a post of yours. =S

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SirPrimalform: I'd certainly prefer a lynch, I was just exploring the moral implications of modkilling one of two people. If I didn't want a lynch I wouldn't have revived a wagon.
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Vitek: Why? Wouldn't it be better to look for that scum as you mentioned before you'd like to find one. Only person you attacked today is Damuna who can't fight back. Quite convenient. And maybe me, but it is only self-defense and you know can't alienate me as I am already against you.
The fact that Damuna isn't around is completely coincidental. It doesn't change the fact that she did (in my eyes) the single most suspicious thing today.

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SirPrimalform: You started concentrating on me in this game because I said you had to wait 'til friday for the answers like everyone else? :P
I don't think that necessarily reflects well on you.
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Vitek: I didn't mean it to reflect well on me. It was certainly not my intention.
Yes, I when we were discussing your giveaway over PM I thought about voting you. That led me to thinking about you seriously and reading your posts. I am not sure again why the way I started thinking about you matters.

There is one reason not ot lynch you, though. Last days it often turns into chat between you and me, with some occasional interruption form others, and if you won't be here I'll turn into spammer who posts without discussion partner. :-)
To be honest, with the current lack of activity I wouldn't mind being lynched. This game is really boring at the moment, that's as much my fault as it is anyone else's though.
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SirPrimalform: To be honest, with the current lack of activity I wouldn't mind being lynched. This game is really boring at the moment, that's as much my fault as it is anyone else's though.
I know what you mean, and I'm not helping either. I'm discovering that 15 people is a lot to keep track of too. I keep trying to reread to try and get a clearer picture of the mess, but it's really difficult, and to be honest I'm not exactly jumping for joy at the prospect of reading 16 50-post pages of... stuff...

In summary: interesting events included Damuna's "plan", Unknown Voter, and three (?) replacements. Robb had a rant and a sulk. Vitek has been running rampant. Robb had another rant and another sulk... ...ugh. I don't know. I have no idea what happened here. Other than everyone is playing extremely carefully.

I dunno. I'm getting wary of Vitek for his frenzied activity and ability to pick at everyone. But if we lynched him the thread would be dead... >_>;

I can't support the Damuna lynch a) because she's vanished, and b) I honestly don't think she was/is scum. I'm happy to lynch Red Baron though - at least nmillar and Vitek agree that he's a bit scummy. Or Robbeasy, for somehow expecting cases to run themselves and getting irritated when it doesn't happen. That'd be a good cover for a mafia who doesn't WANT the case to go anywhere, wouldn't it? Clever to complain about the apathy he's actually encouraging...

Everyone in general! What did you think about my case against le Baron? Only Vitek commented on it at the time... (#643)
Haha, that whole quote fail made me laugh (first time in this game :D). In regards of the whole situation I find Vitek a tad to reactive towards SPF, meaning that even the quote talk is thrown back at SPF in an accusing manner, which I find to be a rash. Also since I am in agreement with SPF about Damuna, though the likeliness of her being scum.. small I would say, with little to judge from - but of the 3 re placers she have the biggest chance given what she has written. I don't like the "lets wait for modkill" approach - seems wrong to me and I am wondering if we'll get told the same? Maybe a mod could confirm that? Missing out on info due to playing this game too safe would be a darn shame.

I am also wondering in regards of the whole unvote vote thing, but since it haven't been done before I can't link it to the unknown voter.

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NotFrenchYet: Everyone in general! What did you think about my case against le Baron? Only Vitek commented on it at the time... (#643)
Besides me of course ;) I must admit that I also commented on it eh? :P Anyhow I concur with you that since your post is one of the those with a more substantial approach to a theory of a scum (meaning that you use what I wrote actively and try to draw some conclusions from it), which deserves some more reactions - Although I do have yet to see some more comments from you in regards of what I wrote - you seemed to skip over those parts a bit too quick when I called you on it not being fence sitting.

At the end, my vote stays on Damuna - I can't say I got a better case against any other. Vitek is making him suspect him, but not enough yet. I don't agree with NFY, but I like that she seems generally interested in catching people, hence I have her down as town, even if the case is against myself :P
I really think we need to get this Damuna thing over and done with. I don't know what better evidence you're expecting on day 1.

She either:

1) Is acting weird/proposing her strange self-lynch scheme

or,

2) absent for days on end.

So again, she's either mafia or a town that doesn't give a damn if town fails. What more can we want? I urge everyone to go ahead and get on board with this.
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SirPrimalform: It depends what you mean by create... I think creating things to pick at is a scummy thing to do. If no one does anything wrong in the first place then there's nothing to pick at. :P
How can someone do something wrong when nobody will be doing nothing?

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Vitek: No, I was just confused for a minute because I went to have a look at the context and couldn't find where I'd said that. It's funny anyway because when I gave the full quote I put post 438 instead of 738 and it happened to be a post of yours. =S
Huh, now you confused me. :-) Does it mean those little arrows actualy do something?

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Vitek: The fact that Damuna isn't around is completely coincidental. It doesn't change the fact that she did (in my eyes) the single most suspicious thing today.
This is the part I don't believe. It's too convenient and you started going against her after it was sure she won't return.

@NFY; That is great summary. :-) *thumb_up*

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Red_Baron: At the end, my vote stays on Damuna - I can't say I got a better case against any other. Vitek is making him suspect him, but not enough yet. I don't agree with NFY, but I like that she seems generally interested in catching people, hence I have her down as town, even if the case is against myself :P
What part of my game makes me suspicious?

Btw. I don't like that post at all and not only because you suspect me but I am starting too see there things NFY tried to highlight about you.

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stoicsentry: I really think we need to get this Damuna thing over and done with. I don't know what better evidence you're expecting on day 1.

She either:

1) Is acting weird/proposing her strange self-lynch scheme

or,

2) absent for days on end.

So again, she's either mafia or a town that doesn't give a damn if town fails. What more can we want? I urge everyone to go ahead and get on board with this.
Damnation said she asked for replacement so "1)" certainly isn't the case.
Why do you think she would do what she did as mafia? Can you offer some explanation.
Her lynch won't tell us anything. The case is she still might get replaced and if she is town her replacement will give a damn about town. (or (s)he should at least)
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stoicsentry: So again, she's either mafia or a town that doesn't give a damn if town fails. What more can we want? I urge everyone to go ahead and get on board with this.
The problem with this is that the player Damuna has left the game already, what we're now talking about is an empty vessel that we're just referring to as Damuna out of convenience. If you feel she was town but just unhelpful then that means nothing now.
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SirPrimalform: The problem with this is that the player Damuna has left the game already, what we're now talking about is an empty vessel that we're just referring to as Damuna out of convenience. If you feel she was town but just unhelpful then that means nothing now.
This sounds like quote from some zombie movie. :-)
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SirPrimalform: It depends what you mean by create... I think creating things to pick at is a scummy thing to do. If no one does anything wrong in the first place then there's nothing to pick at. :P
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Vitek: How can someone do something wrong when nobody will be doing nothing?

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Vitek: No, I was just confused for a minute because I went to have a look at the context and couldn't find where I'd said that. It's funny anyway because when I gave the full quote I put post 438 instead of 738 and it happened to be a post of yours. =S
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Vitek: Huh, now you confused me. :-) Does it mean those little arrows actualy do something?

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Vitek: The fact that Damuna isn't around is completely coincidental. It doesn't change the fact that she did (in my eyes) the single most suspicious thing today.
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Vitek: This is the part I don't believe. It's too convenient and you started going against her after it was sure she won't return.
I didn't say no one should do anything, I said if no one does anything wrong then there's nothing to pick at. Creating something to pick at could be a scummy thing.

The arrows are incredibly useful because they (are supposed to) lead you to the post that the quote came from. :P This is useful for checking that someone isn't manipulating quotes like you did earlier.

I went after her once I realised the deadline was only 5 days away.
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stoicsentry: So again, she's either mafia or a town that doesn't give a damn if town fails. What more can we want? I urge everyone to go ahead and get on board with this.
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SirPrimalform: The problem with this is that the player Damuna has left the game already, what we're now talking about is an empty vessel that we're just referring to as Damuna out of convenience. If you feel she was town but just unhelpful then that means nothing now.
Damn you have a good point! I still feel like she's suspicious, but you're right, if she happens to be town and she's traded out for someone, it won't do us any good if we lynch her.

I'm going with my backup plan, then. He's been suspicious to me for awhile because although he HAS been posting, I don't really feel like he's pushing on anything.

Unvote Damuna, vote JefeQueso