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xyem: Yes? Why not? You won't let me buy DLC because you won't support it (even though I won't ask you to), so why do you let me buy games you won't support, even though I don't ask you to?
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Kardwill: I have an easy answer for this one : You can buy and download the game on one computer, put the installer on a USB device, and install on another computer. Even years after the purchase. So the system of the device you bought the game with does not matter.

That's not an hypothetical fantasy situation : I didn't have an internet connection at my appartment for 4 month last year. The ability to download my games at my parent's house, and take them back with me to my home PC, is the reason I'm 75%GOG / 25%Steam nowadays, while it was the opposite before the "crisis" :)
Indeed.

You could also buy the base game on one account and the DLC on another. I'm sure there is someone out there who has 2 GOG accounts (with purchases) for some reason. I can't think of anyone who does though, but I can think of some plausible situations where someone might own the base game, but not on the account they are trying to buy the DLC with.

In fact, I just had a quick look (was trying to find the topic where someone asked if they can transfer ownership of GOGs to someone else) and the GOG FAQ actually describes a situation where this can occur.

1) Create account X.
2) Purchase Game A on Account X.
3) Download Game A.
4) Cancel Account X (#7).
5) Create account Y.
6) Attempt to purchase DLC for Game A on account Y.
7) Be denied.

EDIT: Dat numbering.

However, as the FAQ says "[I] have no idea why you'd want to do that". But still, it demonstrates that GOG can't know, for certain, that you don't already own the base game from GOG.
Post edited September 18, 2014 by xyem
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JudasIscariot: The DLC base game requirement is always listed just under the screenshots:

http://www.gog.com/game/surgeon_simulator_anniversary_edition
So um.. I was looking for something for someone to give me in a trade and I looked at 'DLC: SWORD OF THE STARS: THE PIT GOLD EDITION - THE PILGRIM'.

Where the base game requirement is listed it has:
SWORD OF THE STARS: THE PIT (Base game)
DLC: SWORD OF THE STARS: THE PIT GOLD EDITION UPGRADE (A paid upgrade..?)
DLC: SWORD OF THE STARS: THE PIT - MINDGAMES (some DLC)

So.. if I understand that correctly.. to buy the Pilgrim DLC, you have to buy the Mindgames DLC?
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JudasIscariot: The DLC base game requirement is always listed just under the screenshots:

http://www.gog.com/game/surgeon_simulator_anniversary_edition
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xyem: So um.. I was looking for something for someone to give me in a trade and I looked at 'DLC: SWORD OF THE STARS: THE PIT GOLD EDITION - THE PILGRIM'.

Where the base game requirement is listed it has:
SWORD OF THE STARS: THE PIT (Base game)
DLC: SWORD OF THE STARS: THE PIT GOLD EDITION UPGRADE (A paid upgrade..?)
DLC: SWORD OF THE STARS: THE PIT - MINDGAMES (some DLC)

So.. if I understand that correctly.. to buy the Pilgrim DLC, you have to buy the Mindgames DLC?
Yeah, as it's a DLC for a DLC. Yes, I know it sounds weird but that's how the game is set up :)
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xyem: So um.. I was looking for something for someone to give me in a trade and I looked at 'DLC: SWORD OF THE STARS: THE PIT GOLD EDITION - THE PILGRIM'.

Where the base game requirement is listed it has:
SWORD OF THE STARS: THE PIT (Base game)
DLC: SWORD OF THE STARS: THE PIT GOLD EDITION UPGRADE (A paid upgrade..?)
DLC: SWORD OF THE STARS: THE PIT - MINDGAMES (some DLC)

So.. if I understand that correctly.. to buy the Pilgrim DLC, you have to buy the Mindgames DLC?
that's a mess, really, ....

2 possibilities :

you bought the base game

you need those dlcs : mind games + gold edition upgrade + pilgrim

you bought the gold version (inlcuding ; base game + mindgames dlc + gold edition upgrade)

so in the later case you don't need mindgames since it's already in the bundle (side note : this gold version is just a comestic one (cheaper though), there's no "real" gold version installer as far i know) .

i listed the dlc in the order you need to install them.( the dlc are sorted in the wrong order in the gamecard :/)

but whatever version you / the other person bought, the pilgrim dlc is just a DLC for the gold editon / god edtion upgrade ....@__@
Post edited September 18, 2014 by DyNaer
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JudasIscariot: Besides, we aren't the only ones requiring ownership of base game on our site in order to make use of the DLC, it's actually a common practice.
The first site I thought of trying it on worked.

Desura allows you to purchase and download the DLC without owning the base game.

EDIT: Bleh, the screenshot doesn't show it but that is the 'Steel Storm Weapon Pack DLC'.

EDIT #2: There doesn't seem to be any direct download DLC on Indie Game Stand, so I can't test there (the only DLC I can even find is for 1849 and is Steam-exclusive).

For reference, you used to be able to redeem DLC on Steam when you didn't own the base game there until some client changes in July 2011. Thought that was interesting.
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Post edited September 19, 2014 by xyem
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JudasIscariot: Besides, we aren't the only ones requiring ownership of base game on our site in order to make use of the DLC, it's actually a common practice.
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xyem: The first site I thought of trying it on worked.

Desura allows you to purchase and download the DLC without owning the base game.

EDIT: Bleh, the screenshot doesn't show it but that is the 'Steel Storm Weapon Pack DLC'.
Well, don't know what to say about that except more power to them, I guess :) Their store, their rules :)
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JudasIscariot: Well, don't know what to say about that except more power to them, I guess :) Their store, their rules :)
Okay so, you won't let me add DLC to my library without owning the base game because:

#1: You cannot support it
#2: You refuse to sell products that you cannot support
#3: You cannot know if the situation will become supportable in the future (i.e. buying the base game later)

Is that correct?
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JudasIscariot: Well, don't know what to say about that except more power to them, I guess :) Their store, their rules :)
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xyem: Okay so, you won't let me add DLC to my library without owning the base game because:

#1: You cannot support it
#2: You refuse to sell products that you cannot support
#3: You cannot know if the situation will become supportable in the future (i.e. buying the base game later)

Is that correct?
1. Yes, because it requires a base game to be installed and we can only truly support a DLC if it's installed on our version of the game. Yes, I know we've already been over this and you'd like to be able to buy it without buying the base game because of the various reasons you've already posted.
2. Yes.
3. Yes, exactly.
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JudasIscariot: 1. Yes, because it requires a base game to be installed and we can only truly support a DLC if it's installed on our version of the game. Yes, I know we've already been over this and you'd like to be able to buy it without buying the base game because of the various reasons you've already posted.
2. Yes.
3. Yes, exactly.
Okay, so we've now established the logic. Great!

The next thing we do is apply it. If it is good logic, it will resolve sensibly :)

I have 710+ products that you have allowed me to add to my library.

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xyem: #1: You cannot support it
You didn't offer Linux support until very recently and even now, you only support Ubuntu and Mint, neither of which I use. This objection applies to all 710+ products in my library.

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xyem: #3: You cannot know if the situation will become supportable in the future (i.e. buying the base game later)
You cannot know if I will buy Windows, or a Mac, or switch to Ubuntu or Mint, making the purchases supportable in the future. This objection applies to all 710+ products in my library.

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xyem: #2: You refuse to sell products that you cannot support
You didn't refuse to sell me them, despite them meeting the exact same reasons you won't let me add the DLC. This objection wasn't applied to the 710+ products.

As you can see, the logic doesn't resolve sensibly. Your reasoning for not letting me add the DLC to my library also applies to everything else I've been allowed to add to my library.

So either #1, #2 and #3 don't apply, which makes everything being in my library fine, but means you have no objections to also adding the DLC..

.. or they do apply, and I should have nothing in my library.

Or was one thing missing?

#4: It is DLC

which seems pretty arbitrary to me!
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" you only support Ubuntu and Mint, neither of which I use."

Why do you buy products that you cannot use (without unsupported workarounds)? It's not as if what is supported is hidden from view :)

"You didn't refuse to sell me them"

We don't know what you are going to do with a standalone product so we can't simply restrict your use based on your OS at the time of purchase. DLCs are not standalone and we control their sale so that they are used with our versions to, once again, offer full support for the base game + DLC.

On top of that, you as a buyer are made aware of what is supported before purchase. If we refused to sell people products based on what OS they are currently using at the time of purchase, we wouldn't be in business very long. Since you insist on using unsupported operating systems despite being informed as to what we do support as far as standalone products are concerned, who are we to stop you?

"You cannot know if I will buy Windows, or a Mac, or switch to Ubuntu or Mint, making the purchases supportable in the future."

Just as we cannot know that you will continue to use unsupported operating systems :)
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JudasIscariot: Why do you buy products that you cannot use (without unsupported workarounds)? It's not as if what is supported is hidden from view :)
To support DRM-free gaming. And.. err.. exactly. It's not as if it is hidden that DLC here is intended to be used with the base game here. Yet you only stop one.

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JudasIscariot: We don't know what you are going to do with a standalone product so we can't simply restrict your use based on your OS at the time of purchase. DLCs are not standalone and we control their sale so that they are used with our versions to, once again, offer full support for the base game + DLC.
As I said, you also don't know what I am going to do with the DLC. It may be to use it with the GOG version, it might not. Just because I don't have it on that particular account doesn't mean I don't own it, just like just because I don't use Linux on the machine I buy it on, doesn't mean I'm not going to install it on Windows, or install Windows later, or switch to supported distro..

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JudasIscariot: On top of that, you as a buyer are made aware of what is supported before purchase. If we refused to sell people products based on what OS they are currently using at the time of purchase, we wouldn't be in business very long. Since you insist on using unsupported operating systems despite being informed as to what we do support as far as standalone products are concerned, who are we to stop you?
Exchange "standalone" for "DLC" and answer the question. You can't just make it specific to standalone without justifying why it is specific to standalone.

I am aware of what you support as far as standalone products are concerned and I still wish to add it to my library.
I am aware of what you support as far as DLC products are concerned and I still wish to add it to my library.

And anything you use to justify it being specific to one has to not also apply to the other.

Can't support? Nope, applies to both.
Getting support calls? Nope, applies to both (or are you claiming you never get support requests from people using unsupported versions of Windows and OS X?).
DLC is specific to the base game? Nope, standalone is specific to the OS.

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JudasIscariot: Just as we cannot know that you will continue to use unsupported operating systems :)
Just as you cannot know that I will continue not to buy the base game on GOG.

Once again, you're arguing my points. You don't stop me because you don't know in one situation, but do stop me because you don't know in the other, even though the situations are actually identical.
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Look, all of those arguments are great but they're not going to change anything.

If you want the DLC from here, you will need the base game from here.

I am sorry if that is somehow restricting to you, or anyone else, but anyone who wants to buy the DLC is always informed they need to have the base game from here as well, without exception.
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JudasIscariot: Look, all of those arguments are great but they're not going to change anything.

If you want the DLC from here, you will need the base game from here.

I am sorry if that is somehow restricting to you, or anyone else, but anyone who wants to buy the DLC is always informed they need to have the base game from here as well, without exception.
unless you gift it to yourself like I did. Thanks for the heads up and help Judas
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JudasIscariot: Look, all of those arguments are great but they're not going to change anything.

If you want the DLC from here, you will need the base game from here.

I am sorry if that is somehow restricting to you, or anyone else, but anyone who wants to buy the DLC is always informed they need to have the base game from here as well, without exception.
There should be a purchase as a gift option for dlcs alone separately, just in case someone wants to help out another by gifting the dlc alone. Buying it as a gift should bypass the base game requirement.
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JudasIscariot: Look, all of those arguments are great but they're not going to change anything.

If you want the DLC from here, you will need the base game from here.

I am sorry if that is somehow restricting to you, or anyone else, but anyone who wants to buy the DLC is always informed they need to have the base game from here as well, without exception.
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angelofmercy85: unless you gift it to yourself like I did. Thanks for the heads up and help Judas
You should thank Firek, not me :)