Lol.....also welcome to the hotel/game, friend. :)
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Thanks.......thankfully I have the 2 others(and family) to keep me company(especially during all this covid craziness).

I save scummed in one of my PC games the last few days....that count or not?
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I believe the phrase here would be "making a (supple) scene" ;)

I believe I already replied to you on this before......shall I look it up and see if I did and what my full answer was?
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Also why "tunneling" on the two of us specifically for so long? Imo Cadaver is near as likely to be town as I....by that I mean, would a town post as much as he has and scrutinize so many?
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Tbh that is a likely possibility....maybe they have let me live to sow confusion among/distrust from the other town and get them to lynch me so they can NK other targets instead?

Well of course i'm no Jack Torrance....for one thing, i'm not so devilishly handsome.
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Sorry for not noticing this and replying as you requested initially.....I posted the post below it(post 838) without checking any posts out of order.

That said, I hope we can get a consensus going and achieve a lynch....though it's not looking so good atm, it seems.
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Dunno how I feel about this.....I don't want the day to end on a no lynch or be the lynch, but I don't want to vote someone I don't suspect much.....what to do, what to do, what to do.

Willing to vote: AFP, Pooka > I am to to provide some basis on this later on

Doubtful about: ZFR, SPF, yogsloth (Zazak), Micro, GR

Will not vote: Cadaver, Lith

[Joke]You scum! You should always be prepared to vote for the mod at least once! (Unless voting for the mod is a vote for NL, as sometimes is the case). [/Joke]
TY for your reads.

My strongest town read is microfish. Thread presence since I got here, going through his ISO really seems like trying to sort people out pretty strongly, same general vibe as last game.

Hey fish, I might just hand you my vote and let you cast it.

Good luck.

Unfortunately you have at least ZFR and Cadaver willing to hop on with you it seems. Could you tell me what has primarily made you believe I'm scum?

On a side note, I think a mislynch at this point would be pretty detrimental to town, however I think my lynch WOULD give a reasonable amount of information to analyze (I like to think more than most).

Another thought I just had...

Although I would really hate to lynch yogsloth on his first day, there's a few things that I realized:

1. zazak was ridiculously angry about the existance of jesters. Why though? As a town, it really doesn't bother me too much. However, I could definitely see if I were scum and expecting to lynch town only to have them flip nuetral twice in a row, how I'd get mad.

2. yogsloth dismissed the previous wagons because the lynches ended up being nuetrals. I personally think that there's definitely still benefit in analysis, but I could see that a scum wouldn't bother.

3. Continuing the "scum wouldn't bother" idea, yogsloth has absolutely no reads, to the point of joking (or not?) about letting someone else vote for him. This does NOT benefit town. I think it makes perfect sense for scum though. Why take too much of a stand if you don't have to?

Since it doesn't seem like GR's lynch is going anywhere fast, let's see where this gets us:

Vote yogsloth

good thinking, AFP, will def consider it!

???

Why???

Mafia's victory condition is usually to kill anyone to achieve vote control. Not to kill Town. Maybe *some* neutrals make a bit of a difference (like a lyncher with a Mafia target or a a lyncher with a Town target, with the former being more desirable to lynch while the latter not), but in the case of survivors, and jesters, they're practically same as town: just someone they have to kill on their way to achieve victory by numbers.

Seriously? Mafia angry because they lynched Neutral instead of Town??? I mean they could be prefer to lynch a PR but those if they exist aren't easy to lynch D1/2 anyway.

Heck, in this particular case if zazak was Mafia he would be happy to see them flip jester instead of Town. Imagine the heat he'd be in if they flipped Town? But now mafia!zazak would have had the perfect excuse: I went after them because they appeared scummy.

Part I:
Me neither, I thought that it might be Zazak (now yogsloth), but I'm not sure anymore. Fully agree on the rest.

I was addressing Zazak's query on my list of suspects. It's quite interesting that you reacted to that post and no one else is. Almost as like you're being "overly defensive" ;)
Anyway, thank you for your interest and for mentioning post #481, I've read that post (it was a reply to me actually), like all the other posts (I expect that you've read all the posts as well).
Mentioning it again will not clear my doubts just like that, that's not how it works.
But more on that below.

Yes, about that, let's see:
1) Reason 1: "a lot of suspicion", post #368:
It was your first vote on Microfish because he "has been pretty absent it seems, as well as trent." - later you unvoted Micro in post #383

Facts:
I suspected ZFR/SPF/Carradice for the "code" thing - which I acknowledged to be "a stupid thing to do" in Post #197
I suspected ZFR/SPF/GR for not voting/hammering Carradice wagon - an actual mistake since I had different view on a situation, which was clearly explained to me by ZFR in Posts #342, #347 to which I acknowledged in #348
I expressed a possibility about gogtrial's hammer accident, again, in post #348 (not a suspicion but still)

Even if I wanted to I couldn't take it as "a lot of blame", and after I pressed on you in that regard in post #372 you decided to change your opinion and dropped your charges in post #383:
2) Reason 2: being "parenthetical"
You waited for ZFR reaction in post #386
Then you re-read my post #348 again and suddenly you *realized* that I put the words "and many others I believe" into round brackets (parenthetical) to cast another scum accusation in post #396:
It's your second vote which you put on me this time based on questionable reasoning.
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Part II:
I was put on scrutiny for some things, but there were 3 which I found excessively absurd (and I have nothing against valid accusations):
1) ZFR because I called him "Vanilla" and not "Town", when mentioning how he was killed 3 times in a row before (I accidentally thought it was 4 for some reason, so you may use it against me as well);
> I asked ZFR to elaborate
2) AFP (You) for putting my own words in my own round brackets (a slip from would be scum day chat?), but only after a followup post from ZFR a re-read of my post for a second time;
> I compared it to ZFR's reasoning, your points about blaming seemed kind of valid
That is why I said to you "Gosh, your argument voting me is even better than ZFR's (calling him vanilla, not town)" in my 1st defense post #399 to which you replied but ignored how I compared it to ZFR's (I'll explain this part below)
3) Pooka for "manufacturing" how I wanted to sound worried and saying (a slip from my absent mind?), event after I stated that it was intentional, it was not a linguistic issue and that I'm not THAT stupid;
> I compared Pooka's reasoning with yours for the same reason: it's absurd from my point of view
That is why I said to Pooka: "That's gold! I thought after AFP's accusation reason about "round brackets" no one would beat it, but you actually overdid it.". And don't worry I'll get to Pooka later.

Facts:
I definitely put words into brackets
That's how I like them: to be occasionally placed in round brackets
Other people did it too, you can see at least 3 examples for the first 50 posts.

Anyway you dismissed my posts #399, #400 about absurdness of those accusations, in post #409 you even said: [/i]"I may be slightly under the influence currently, but I'm pretty sure it all makes decent sense lol!"[/i]
My third "defense" post #410 (+EBWOP #411) to which you replied, among other thins, in post #462: "I'll be the first to admit that this is hardly a rock-solid case, but I've got to pursue any potential lead to see where it takes me. At this point I still suspect zazak, I'm increasingly alarmed by how many lurkers we have, and there's one other person I'll address in a moment."
Unfortunately you were unwilling to provide a suitable day-chat slip example then.
It was your third vote which you put on gogtrial because he voted on me agreeing with your "observation". Again, a sudden change of mind, gogtrial was on your side after all. And ZFR's vote was still on me at that time, what's the rush?

So I pressed again in post #471 and then you dropped your charges again in post #481 you said "After a combination of fairly reasonable responses, seeing that it logically didn't make sense and also gogtrial's shenanigans, I unvoted him.".
For some reason I think that you were under the impression of ZFR's post #472, where he said: "I liked Cadaver's defense to AFP and gogtrial's votes though. Something in it struck me as genuine Townie."

It's a pure speculation of course, but for me it looked like that first you waited for ZFR to say that he was not the first to say that hammer incident might not be accidental and put a blame on me for being the first one and for using brackets. And when ZFR unvoted me by voting gogtrial and stated his reads on me as Town you suddenly dismissed your reasoning through why you thought I might be scum.
And I don't like it at all because I think Town should do a detective work and not backing down so easily. Either you respect ZFR's opinion so much or afraid to bring his attention on yourself.

Anyway like I said you dropped your charges in post #481 and in post #483 you stated: "Cadaver (He's made mistakes that I don't think scum would make, but he's also seemed overly defensive)"
That is exactly what I meant when answering Zazak's query for my list of suspects. I'm not sure I ever "defended"
So no, I wasn't keep saying about how you named me a scum using "parenthetical" reasoning, I replied to Pooka's accusation which I found to be absurd and provided him the "round brackets" postins like he asked in post #763 (apparently you both are not very keen on reading all the posts).
And I wasn't continuing in keeping shade on you or something. But now you attracted my attention. You reaction was too genuine and nervous for a good Town in my opinion.

Like I said above, it's not the case. And "overly defensive" was taken from post#483 for Zazak's query to put into my list of suspects.
If you would be so kind as to show me where exactly I was overly defensive in my previous posts #399, #400, #410 (+EBWOP #411) and #471, and especially where I, according you, was continuing my defense against you in my later ones, I would much appreciate it.

You say that but you're not elaboration on it, why? By all means, please. Don't worry I'm not going to claim anything.

That might be it. The fact that I relate it was Pooka's personal request. You said "even more scummier" however I don't remember same reaction when I compared your reasoning with ZFR's. Are you afraid of something? Or was I less scummier back then so it wasn't worth mentioning?

Yes, thanks for that. Pooka is not that hard to read after all. And if not for Pooka I'd vote you that instant.

Your voting history so far (please let me know if I missed something):
Microfish (368) > unvote Microfish (383) > Cadaver (396) > gogtrial (462) > GR (625) > unvote GR (684) > GR (795) > yogsloth (846)

My preliminary conclusion: your votes are somewhat erratic; your reaction for mentioning your name is nervous; you tell me about your reasoning through why you thought I might be scum, but all I see is how fast those accusations were dropped; you care too much on what other people think especially ZFR, you named me as "overly defensive" but for some reason I see you to be exactly that: an overly defensive person who likes to put a lot of suspicion on a lot of people (I used your own wording).

I don't think you're scum yet, but you sure is trying hard to look like one.

And I find your next posts to be very interesting. You claimed yourself as Town even, very interesting indeed. Please give me time as at the moment I'm in the middle of something.

It almost sound like "In the name of the law you who sinned should be executed but I'm willing to turn a blind eye on your transgressions if you'll behave from now on".

That's actually a really good proposal, too bad you haven't mentioned it earlier when Micro was first to provide his cop expectations:
https://www.gog.com/forum/general/the_shining_gog_mafia_65_return_to_the_stanley_hotel/post740

Surely you read that post. And after Micro asked a direct question in post #759 only I and GR were quick to answer with our "directions". Too bad you haven't reacted earlier, were you unavailable at that moment?

Yes, it's definitely Russian. Don't worry any about language barrier's and feel free to accuse me as scum for any kind of sloppy wording. I think the only case of a "barrier" was when in post #593 ZFR said to SPF: "Feels like you setting up the ground for being able to imply toMorrow: "See? I was the only one who did not buy that crap. Town gogtrial was lynched, but now we have the chance to lynch the scum behind it."
I know all the words, even different meanings of "crap", but the whole sentence was a bit out of reach for me, it's still is.
https://www.gog.com/forum/general/the_shining_gog_mafia_65_return_to_the_stanley_hotel/post593

But ZFR explained it to me and now I know what toDay and toMorrow is ;)

That's a good one ;)
It nice that we can joke about scum on D3.
Only a complete paranoid would think that it's some kind of strategy to clear off scum suspicion.

Please name at least 2 things from D3.

Correction: I moved the deadline to Wednesday (today) evening and offered to extend it further to Thursday evening upon request, if yogs needs more time to catch up. But neither yogs nor anyone else requested the extension to Thursday. So, as written in my last vote count, the Day will end some time tonight, unless I get a request to extend it further. (either from from yogs, who jumped in to solve an emergency and is the one who has the most catching up to do, or if several other players want an extension, because there was a misunderstanding)