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General discussionPlaytonic removes controversial YouTuber JonTron from Yooka-Laylee(314 posts)(314 posts)
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Posted March 24, 2017
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richlind33: So that which is unfamiliar is necessarily good or positive?
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Titanium: Not necessarily. Not the point. Perception is king, facts are, unfortunately, irrelevant.
"Facts" are in the eye of the beholder, innit?

Do any of us really want to know what the other person is trying to communicate?
Posted March 24, 2017
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Titanium: Not necessarily. Not the point. Perception is king, facts are, unfortunately, irrelevant.
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richlind33: "Facts" are in the eye of the beholder, innit?
But that's the beauty of facts, they are apolitical. A fact is a de facto state of a factual (that is, true) information. And time is the great equalizer. Sooner or alter...
Posted March 24, 2017
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richlind33: "Facts" are in the eye of the beholder, innit?
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Titanium: But that's the beauty of facts, they are apolitical. A fact is a de facto state of a factual (that is, true) information. And time is the great equalizer. Sooner or alter...
Some facts are timeless, some aren't. The more specific or particular a fact is, the greater it's impermanence, because change is the one and true constant. ;p
Posted March 24, 2017
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Primo_Victoria: posting a video =/= expressing yourself
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227: Agree 100%. Like I said, it was an excuse to post something I already wanted to post. But it's not like "educate yourself" is much of an argument either, which is kind of the point. I don't even know if I agree with you or not because your disagreement with that post could be basically anything except exactly what you were quoting.
Ah, gotcha.

I guess I find it weird that people can't see the difference between various European settlers with similar values building countries out of nothing and random gang members, drug dealers and other illegals coming in their country to collect social security and be a general nuisance like all over Europe and southern USA, and now Canada.
Posted March 24, 2017
Companies and mobs bullying people over free speech is no better than the government bullying people over free speech. I don't care if one is technically legal, freedom of speech is a right of man not just a law.
Posted March 25, 2017
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Misanthropic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRNDnR9Za4M

http://www.oneangrygamer.net/2017/03/yooka-laylee-devs-ban-and-censors-users-after-removing-jontron-from-game/26804/

No, I won't be purchasing the game now...
Ouch, I was on the fence after seeing how empty the levels looked, but now...

In other news, Snake Pass is coming out next week. Not on GOG, I'm afraid. :/
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markrichardb: Why stop there? Following that logic, let's go back even further and say all culture is a lie because humans originated from Africa. Culture cannot be quantified, and every country has an identity whether you see value in it or not.
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adaliabooks: I know your being sarcastic, but that is actually my point. Culture and society is not a fixed point. What makes the UK the UK now is not what made it 1000 years ago or what will make in another 1000.
But this is particularly true for countries whose population is made up by wave after wave of invaders and immigrants.
What makes someone English (or British)? Should you be able to trace your family tree back to the Normans? Except they were Vikings who settled in France. Maybe you should trace your heritage back to the Anglo-Saxons, except they were German. Or the Romans? The Celts?
Hell, even Christianity came here through immigration.
Change, new ideas, new cultures, they all make us stronger and better. People say that immigration brings terrorists, except the root cause of that terrorism, the reason there is a conflict at all is because of the intolerance (of both sides) to the beliefs and ideas of the other. It's a self perpetuating cycle.
Ancient Greece was infinitely more advanced as a society than modern islam.

Relavitism is evil and can destroy great things. It belongs in the bin.
Post edited March 25, 2017 by Primo_Victoria
Posted March 25, 2017
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227: On the one hand, gaming personalities doing voice acting never turns out well. On the other, this feels like a lost opportunity to emphasize how games can unite even people with wildly different political opinions.
This.
Nothing will improve if people don't stop with the 1984 bs and start actually being tolerant towards other points of view. I say this in spite of the fact that I too have the opinion that this guy is misguided.
Post edited March 25, 2017 by Klumpen0815
Posted March 25, 2017
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227: On the one hand, gaming personalities doing voice acting never turns out well. On the other, this feels like a lost opportunity to emphasize how games can unite even people with wildly different political opinions.
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Klumpen0815: This.
Nothing will improve if people don't stop with the 1984 bs and start actually being tolerant towards other points of view. I say this in spite of the fact that I too have the opinion that this guy is misguided.
Who's misguided?
Posted March 25, 2017
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Vainamoinen: Oh, I get it, it's the AfD argument. In which some culture, erroneously thought of as homogenous, is less than 5% of the population, of which only a part practices their religion, and it somehow "culturally overwhelms" the remaining 95%. You know, if the culture of those 5% is so strong and/or the culture of those 95% so pathetically weak, maybe it should be overwhelmed. Maybe that's in fact what "natural evolution of culture" is, because, you know, nature is actually pretty fucking cruel.

Now imagine how pathetic that argument and how weak your culture would have to be if your population only had 0.9% of the culture that apparently wins "dominate control", and you're still scared out of your wits because of it.
Perhaps you can explain why the police was letting hundreds of children be sexually exploited by Pakistanis in Rotherham even though it's such a small minority? Or why the authorities are not just bagging and tagging the hundreds or thousands of muslims asking for sharia, declaring the caliphate or praying ass in the air in the streets of Europe, blocking traffic and claiming the land?

Islam doesn't have to be in the majority to create major problems.
Posted March 25, 2017
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Primo_Victoria: Perhaps you can explain why the police was letting hundreds of children be sexually exploited by Pakistanis in Rotherham even though it's such a small minority? .
Maybe they were letting them do that before rotherham.

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Spectre: People should make another thread if they want to discuss wider cultural issues.
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Vainamoinen: Which is, after all, what always goes wrong. But, honestly, with the situation being as it is - and the situation is like in the attached cartoon unfortunately - how would it even be possible to discuss this issue by circumventing the wider cultural context? Doesn't that play into the hands of the "youtubers say the darndest things" people, who desperately try to separate the person from his world view?
People were managing to have the discussion before it started getting derailed.
Post edited March 25, 2017 by Spectre
Posted March 25, 2017
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227: Agree 100%. Like I said, it was an excuse to post something I already wanted to post. But it's not like "educate yourself" is much of an argument either, which is kind of the point. I don't even know if I agree with you or not because your disagreement with that post could be basically anything except exactly what you were quoting.
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Primo_Victoria: Ah, gotcha.

I guess I find it weird that people can't see the difference between various European settlers with similar values building countries out of nothing and random gang members, drug dealers and other illegals coming in their country to collect social security and be a general nuisance like all over Europe and southern USA, and now Canada.
Your lack of understanding of history is stunning.

The English isles have suffered from white sectarian violence for two thousand years, likely longer but they couldn't really write in that part of the world before that. Not to mention the violent cultural clashes between the various colonising forces in the 1600 and 1700s that the area that would become the USA suffered. Or the various attempts at cleansing out the less desirable sorts of whites in the 1800 and early 1900s. Or the violent subsumption of the 1920s Irish gangs by the Italian gangs of the 1950s. Or those same Italian gangs now having been elbowed out by Eastern European families.
Post edited March 25, 2017 by EBToriginal
Posted March 25, 2017
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Pupcakes: Companies and mobs bullying people over free speech is no better than the government bullying people over free speech. I don't care if one is technically legal, freedom of speech is a right of man not just a law.
Sadly, I don't think being featured as a voice-actor in Yooka-Laylee is a right of man though. ;)
Post edited March 25, 2017 by Leroux
Posted March 25, 2017
Apparently a number of advertisers are also shocked when their ads are on a few different 'extremist' Youtube videos like... JonTron and Pewdiepie???

Seems like an ongoing attempt to censor opposing views, regardless of their character because they aren't following the left/SJW narrative...
Posted March 25, 2017
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Pupcakes: Companies and mobs bullying people over free speech is no better than the government bullying people over free speech. I don't care if one is technically legal, freedom of speech is a right of man not just a law.
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Leroux: Sadly, I don't think being featured as a voice-actor in Yooka-Laylee is a right of man though. ;)
Freedom of association is a two way street dontcha know?
Posted March 25, 2017
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Leroux: Sadly, I don't think being featured as a voice-actor in Yooka-Laylee is a right of man though. ;)
Of course it's not. Neither is my refunded preorder. :)

Hopefully next time these companies will learn that they shouldn't bully others by politicizing their game.
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