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nmillar: I'm sure we'll get some insightful input from GameRager during the night, but I'd also like to hear from Pooka, considering he may well have been cleared as town as well.
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SirPrimalform: What night result are you expecting from a lone mason? A nose picking report?
I was being funny ... or so I thought!
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SirPrimalform: What night result are you expecting from a lone mason? A nose picking report?
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nmillar: I was being funny ... or so I thought!
I suspected as much. ;P
Scum be like...
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RedFireGaming: Unless LOLChan says otherwise, I think Pooka is confirmed. Our PR should have investigated him last night, and if they got a scum result, they should be claiming.
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nmillar: Is this RFG confirming he tracked Pooka? If so, then that clears Pooka as well.
I think these are RFG's breadcrumbs SPF was talking about
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nmillar: Is this RFG confirming he tracked Pooka? If so, then that clears Pooka as well.
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LOLChan: I think these are RFG's breadcrumbs SPF was talking about
And what do you make of RFG specifically namedropping you? I've got my own thoughts but I'd like to know what you think before I share them. I don't want to influence you.
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nmillar: You keep coming back to this again and again. Sure, if you're both alive on the final day, then it's an easy town win if you are both masons.
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blotunga: Logic confirms us. There can't be 2 scum left. Even if we were neutral and it would be GR and me vs the last scum in the end, we still would lynch the scum. PRs don't matter at that point. Scum has to get rid of us sooner or later, because he knows that we never would lynch eachother. So scum's best chance is to convince town to lynch one and then NK the other.
And now we are likely be both gone very soon, as I looked ahead and saw you were lynched......hopefully I will survive and any investigator will be checking out one of the remaining players.
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Note to all: I would ask next time if we have ample time till deadline and a wagon forms in the future that others kindly wait(if possible) until I get online so I can weigh in. Thanks in advance.
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nmillar: There was a mafia watcher, so I would assume there's at least one. Somebody else mentioned the pointlessness of the role, if they were just there to watch the masons "picking their noses".

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blotunga: Snip
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nmillar: To be fair, I agree with your suspicions of SPF if your's and GameRager's roles are verified as masons, as he is the one that has continuously pushed for the policy lynch (along with Lithrasil RIP). However, without being verified to anyone but yourselves, there is going to be a continued element of doubt around your claims, and this does need to be verified by someone who isn't yourself or GameRager. Unfortunately, we can't do that without a PR outing themselves or lynching one of you to verify the claim, and I'm sure you understand which of those two options is the most beneficial.

Once verified, then I can get on board with your suspicions of SPF.
1st bit: If there is why didn't they verify our claims yet or look into us(even when we weren't claiming mason we were both very visible in posting)? If they haven't yet I think they should either look into one of the lurkers(more likely than SPF) or SPF.

2nd bit: If we have an investigator role(as I think we did with one comment by one user here recently...not naming them to avoid them being outed of course, but look back the last few pages to posts by the lurkers for more on that) they would be dropping breadcrumbs by now, wouldn't they? Or pushing the lynch away from those confirmed as town?
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GameRager: ...
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SirPrimalform: 1. No, but you're acting as if you're beyond suspicion.

2. If you really are masons then yes, the scum probably would kill the remaining mason. This will protect the more important roles, that's the entire point!

3. Right, but we don't want to grant them the freedom to try and pick them off at their leisure. ZFR must be rolling in his grave for what you just said about the odds. If we have more than one power role then of course the odds of scum hitting them are higher than town lynching a single scum. 2(or more)/7 is a higher probability than 1/7.

4. As I said before, we don't have that much time left.
Nice sized post.....will unpack each bit in turn:

1. I do that by default(talk that way) when I know myself to be town or others to also be town....force of habit....I know I am not above suspicion.

2. It might until said roles have to claim for some reason, and it removes the small but still there chance for a mason town team(now gone of course) to stick around until the last "day" and lynch the final scum.

3. Do you mean/meant more PRs besides us masons or what? Do you really believe our side is loaded with PRs? Also with me and blotunga more or less confirmed, we(before his lynch) had a 1/4 chance of hitting scum(or is it 1/5) if we had gone that route.

4. We had more than enough time to risk a lynch of one other player....it would've given any investigator time to confirm our masons claim without a lynch being needed and also would've given us a small but noticeable chance to hit the last scum.


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GameRager: .....
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SirPrimalform: No. Yesterday was the time to "first lynch someone else". I do not want us to be in a situation where 2/5 players remaining are dodgy masons, it's got to be today.
I wonder if an investigator used the nolynch "day" to check into one of us, and if so why they haven't said so yet.

(Well a post or two could be them doing so, but I don't know and don't want to point them out.....check back to the lurkers the last few irl days iirc, that is all I will say)

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SirPrimalform: Exactly! It forces them to leave the more useful town roles alone for another night.
Unless scum goes after the other players instead to try and hit any such PRs, or the PRs(if any) have to claim for some reason.


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SirPrimalform: And what if, as you mentioned in the hypothetical situation in your previous post, you and GR are third party? That's a complete loss for town, so forgive me for not finding that plan appealing. The way you completely and utterly refuse to consider the obvious advantages for town in lynching you is making me lean more and more towards the likelihood that you do not have a town win condition. If you were town you wouldn't be obsessed with surviving for as long as possible, you'd win with the team.

I'm more certain than ever, we absolutely need to lynch a "mason" today.
Was this a misread or intentionally not seeing he meant us as town and not a third party?
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nmillar: Both blotunga and GameRager dont seem to care about protecting town PRs, as long as they themselves stay alive. Perhaps because they want the glory on the last day by being the only two left alive with one scum, or more likely because they do not care if town wins.
That is assuming we have PRs, and I myself care very much....but I did not see the value in one of us being lynched as I saw going after a nonconfirmed(to us masons) player while waiting for any possible town cop/etc to check into us to be more viable.

Also I might also want to survive until game end for a change a small bit...that much is true....and I want town to win but I care more about having fun than winning at all costs/etc. That's just how I play.
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PookaMustard: I like how in all this commotion, SPF is being suspected for policy lynching blotunga or GR, but...nobody seems to point any fingers at me? It's odd, since we're both behind the idea. But the more I think of their refusal to just accept the idea, the more I lean to believing the four scum theory.
I was willing to lynch you to try to hit scum, and then another the next day if need be...etc. If red had voted earlier that "day" it would've happened.

(Which is odd, how he posted 12+ minutes AFTER the "day" ended.....as if he wanted to appear on the wagon but not lynch you for some reason.)

Now this last 'day' the wagon formed on others so no chance to lynch someone I wanted to, or convince others to do so(they rushed the lynch of blotunga before I could reply and try to stop it), and I wasn't about to self lynch or lynch blotunga.
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nmillar: Agreed. My preference would have been GameRager, as his posts are usually nonsense, but blotunga seems to have gone nuclear.

Unvote GameRager, vote blotunga/
Nonsense? Dohoho......
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nmillar: Put yourself in OUR skin. We do not know if you and GameRager are telling the truth. If SPF came out and claimed cop, would you believe it, or would you want some kind of proof?
If he were cop he likely would have looked into us on the nolynch "day/night".
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blotunga: No the flavor didn't reveal anything about scum just that they are all sa nou pa we yo. Whatever that means. You are already convinced that somehow this twisted sacrifice is a good thing.

@ whoever is town, take a good luck at those who pushed my lynch.
I am guessing it's most likely one of the ones on your wagon(lurker or SPF), and that's who I hope any PR looked into overnight.

Also to blotunga: Was fun playing with you, even if we didn't converse much even in game. Have a good one and here's hoping we win the game. :)
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JoeSapphire: RedFireGaming is eliminated. He was Marie Luban, Haitian Tracker.

It is now the fifth voting phase.
Dammit. I was guessing either RedFire or LolChan was a cop/etc and now we have lost our tracker....GL guys/gals.
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Btw to all: Only caught up to post 696....need bump to post more in a bit most likely....thanks in advance
Nvm on the bump....all done and caught up
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SirPrimalform: Ok then, so GR is still alive as of now. I wonder if RFG left any breadcrumbs? I've not found anything obvious yet.
Check Post 700......it shows one I picked up on and you somehow seem to have missed.

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SirPrimalform: With GR alive we have a confirmed town, from my position the scum must be between Pooka, nmillar and LOLchan. RFG was actually one that I was somewhat suspicious of for rapidly jumping onto a wagon earlier, so it's helpful at least that he's no longer a suspect.
Yes, it is ever so helpful we lost a town PR....weren't you worried about losing town PRs before? This sounds like you saying "RFG was a PR? Eh, no biggie that we lost him".
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RedFireGaming: Scum be like...
See ya next time, gog mafia cowboy.
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LOLChan: I think these are RFG's breadcrumbs SPF was talking about
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SirPrimalform: And what do you make of RFG specifically namedropping you? I've got my own thoughts but I'd like to know what you think before I share them. I don't want to influence you.
I think I know why he dropped LolChan's name....but I also am waiting to see LolChan's take on it first.
Okay, I finally get online!

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SirPrimalform: I wasn't happy with pooka's reluctance to give a name - the mafia didn't seem to human have names as their masks weren't masks. Pooka could have been stalling while he thought of a plausibly Haitian sounding name.
No. That's not why I didn't give my name, and the reason I gave for that reluctance was legit (and I was more than happy to oblige when you told me I misremembered). Besides, I couldn't come up with such a name as "Dieuli Redoo" if given an eternity before the Day was over. I'm bad at names.

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RedFireGaming: Unless LOLChan says otherwise, I think Pooka is confirmed. Our PR should have investigated him last night, and if they got a scum result, they should be claiming.
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nmillar: Is this RFG confirming he tracked Pooka? If so, then that clears Pooka as well.
Now that we're thinking about it, the wording sounds odd. Besides, what the heck's up with dropping LOLChan's name all of a sudden? Is that an implication that he may be more than he appears to be?

Let's see, the current state of affairs...
- SirPrimalform
- Pooka
- GameRager
- nmillar
- LOLChan

Can't believe it's Day 4 after several games that only ended on Day 3. At least from my angle, I can see that the scum has to be one of SirPrimalform, nmillar or LOLChan. After blotunga's flip, I am not worried about there being two scum like I used to when he was alive. I'm concerned that the scum have left SPF alive, considering he's extremely engaged this game compared to other games; then again, one can argue that he's been left alive precisely because he was distracted by the Mason Team and wasn't going after the real scum. I'm still having a hard time reading nmillar and LOLchan.

Also, all things considered, two of five have claimed. Given RFG the Tracker was killed while only leaving behind breadcrumbs, I think it's fair to massclaim right now, what's with three nights of results. Not to mention that tomorrow is LyLo. And yes, I want everyone to claim now rather than tomorrow; as all it would take for the last scum to prevail is to spin a lie and have everyone believe it on the last day. That's what HSL did in Captain Sapphire, and it's fair to say that we're dealing with a skilled lone mafioso.
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LOLChan: I think these are RFG's breadcrumbs SPF was talking about
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SirPrimalform: And what do you make of RFG specifically namedropping you? I've got my own thoughts but I'd like to know what you think before I share them. I don't want to influence you.
Since I hadn’t posted that day I think RFG singled me out to try to get a read weather I was town/scum without using his tracker PR in night phase.
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SirPrimalform: And what do you make of RFG specifically namedropping you? I've got my own thoughts but I'd like to know what you think before I share them. I don't want to influence you.
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LOLChan: Since I hadn’t posted that day I think RFG singled me out to try to get a read weather I was town/scum without using his tracker PR in night phase.
Do you have any reads on other players? You seem to be posting as little as possible to get by without offering any opinions.
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SirPrimalform: And what do you make of RFG specifically namedropping you? I've got my own thoughts but I'd like to know what you think before I share them. I don't want to influence you.
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LOLChan: Since I hadn’t posted that day I think RFG singled me out to try to get a read weather I was town/scum without using his tracker PR in night phase.
That's what I think too, and if that's the case then I interpret the post to mean you visited pooka that night.

In which case, you're pretty much outed as some kind of PR now. Do you have any info that could help us crack the game?
So here's the thing. Do we know for sure which night RFG tracked LOLchan? As long as it was N2 or later, then LOLchan couldn't be mafia because they would have to be the one killing. If LOLchan visited pooka then LOLchan couldn't have been out killing.

Which narrows the pool considerably...


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GameRager: Nvm on the bump....all done and caught up
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SirPrimalform: Ok then, so GR is still alive as of now. I wonder if RFG left any breadcrumbs? I've not found anything obvious yet.
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GameRager: 1. Check Post 700......it shows one I picked up on and you somehow seem to have missed.

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SirPrimalform: With GR alive we have a confirmed town, from my position the scum must be between Pooka, nmillar and LOLchan. RFG was actually one that I was somewhat suspicious of for rapidly jumping onto a wagon earlier, so it's helpful at least that he's no longer a suspect.
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GameRager: 2. Yes, it is ever so helpful we lost a town PR....weren't you worried about losing town PRs before? This sounds like you saying "RFG was a PR? Eh, no biggie that we lost him".
1. You mean the one we've been discussing for most of the current page? Yeah, I don't think I've seen it yet. :P

2. What I said was that we might either lose you or a PR but we couldn't lose both. In losing RFG we've kept you, which is useful now that you're confirmed. It's not good that we lost RFG, but it narrows my suspect pool.

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PookaMustard: Okay, I finally get online!

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SirPrimalform: I wasn't happy with pooka's reluctance to give a name - the mafia didn't seem to human have names as their masks weren't masks. Pooka could have been stalling while he thought of a plausibly Haitian sounding name.
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PookaMustard: 1. No. That's not why I didn't give my name, and the reason I gave for that reluctance was legit (and I was more than happy to oblige when you told me I misremembered). Besides, I couldn't come up with such a name as "Dieuli Redoo" if given an eternity before the Day was over. I'm bad at names.

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nmillar: Is this RFG confirming he tracked Pooka? If so, then that clears Pooka as well.
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PookaMustard: 2. Now that we're thinking about it, the wording sounds odd. Besides, what the heck's up with dropping LOLChan's name all of a sudden? Is that an implication that he may be more than he appears to be?

Let's see, the current state of affairs...
- SirPrimalform
- Pooka
- GameRager
- nmillar
- LOLChan

Can't believe it's Day 4 after several games that only ended on Day 3. At least from my angle, I can see that the scum has to be one of SirPrimalform, nmillar or LOLChan. After blotunga's flip, I am not worried about there being two scum like I used to when he was alive. I'm concerned that the scum have left SPF alive, considering he's extremely engaged this game compared to other games; then again, one can argue that he's been left alive precisely because he was distracted by the Mason Team and wasn't going after the real scum. I'm still having a hard time reading nmillar and LOLchan.

Also, all things considered, two of five have claimed. Given RFG the Tracker was killed while only leaving behind breadcrumbs, I think it's fair to massclaim right now, what's with three nights of results. Not to mention that tomorrow is LyLo. And yes, I want everyone to claim now rather than tomorrow; as all it would take for the last scum to prevail is to spin a lie and have everyone believe it on the last day. That's what HSL did in Captain Sapphire, and it's fair to say that we're dealing with a skilled lone mafioso.
1. It's ok, information since that post makes me think you likely cleared anyway.

2. Yes, I think we might be able to crack the game here and now with a massclaim actually. The question is which order to do it in...
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SirPrimalform: 2. Yes, I think we might be able to crack the game here and now with a massclaim actually. The question is which order to do it in...
Doesn't matter the order, what matters is we start it now and no later.

If you want an order, you begin followed by LOLChan and finally nmillar.
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SirPrimalform: 2. Yes, I think we might be able to crack the game here and now with a massclaim actually. The question is which order to do it in...
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PookaMustard: Doesn't matter the order, what matters is we start it now and no later.

If you want an order, you begin followed by LOLChan and finally nmillar.
Wrong. The order can be of great significance. The later the scum claims, the more info they have to work with in coming up with a falseclaim.

Why on earth would you place nmillar last? From my perspective he is almost certainly the last scum. It won't be as clear to you as both me and nmillar are possible suspects, but do you really suspect LOLchan more than nmillar?
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PookaMustard: Doesn't matter the order, what matters is we start it now and no later.

If you want an order, you begin followed by LOLChan and finally nmillar.
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SirPrimalform: Wrong. The order can be of great significance. The later the scum claims, the more info they have to work with in coming up with a falseclaim.

Why on earth would you place nmillar last? From my perspective he is almost certainly the last scum. It won't be as clear to you as both me and nmillar are possible suspects, but do you really suspect LOLchan more than nmillar?
Whoa! I thought we were friends?

Actually, I agree that the order is very significant, and Pooka's disregard for this is odd ... will have to re-analyse RFG's posts prior to the one we already discussed to establish if he was actually clearing Pooka, or drawing LOLChan's attention to him.

Up to this point, it was a simple decision between SPF and LOLChan for me, but now I'm starting to doubt myself. There goes my ultimate fantasy of un-masking SPF in a dramatic final day showdown!