I have the feeling there's something off with LOLChan, so I sandwiched him between you and nmillar.

Either way, looking at the mass claims page you linked, I like the Methods section. Perhaps go with the popcorn method? If so, we ought to vote on who gets to claim next. Tell me, what's your preferred order of claiming? nmillar first, LOLChan then you?

Process of elimination old friend! If RFG followed LOLchan visiting pooka on any night other than N1 then it clears LOLchan. If LOLchan clears pooka then it leaves only you.
My personal preference would be nmillar -> me -> LOLchan, but I'd accept me -> nmillar -> LOLchan if everyone regards me as more suspicious than you.


Well I suppose from a subjective point of view I'd choose nmillar -> LOLchan -> me since I know my own alignment. But since I'm considering LOLchan pretty much cleared I'd also be fine with nmillar -> me -> LOLchan or even me -> nmillar -> LOLchan.

Do you think my logic for clearing LOLchan (see above) is flawed?

My disregard for the massclaim order is because I don't see it as important as the action itself. Scum may have already prepared for the situation by thinking of some relatively uncommon role that wouldn't be counterclaimed easily and use that. Vanilla claims is also a weapon they can use if they're not sure what kind of story they would come up with. I know if I were forced to claim first as mafia, I'd just say I'm a vanilla (see what I claimed in ZFR's game), and if put in last, I can claim as a role and increase my "perceived value." Either way, scum have already been prepared for this thing. And given the players that are alive right now and the fact the lone mafioso has managed to stay under the radar for this long, it's safe to say they know what they're doing.

Based on that, I see value in making LOLChan claim first or middle before anyone else; as he's the least familiar with the GOG meta as I see it. Then one of nmillar or SPF. But outside LOLChan, as far as I'm concerned mafia SPF or nmillar can wiggle their way out of any position on a massclaim train, so it's not as relevant where they are; what's relevant is the night actions; who investigated who, who tracked who, that sort of thing.

Not to mention it would properly explain what the heck's RFG was saying about LOLChan.


The logic is sound and I don't doubt it. Personally I'd prefer LOLChan go first for the reasons I explained above your quote, but I'm fine with any order as long as we can get to the bottom of this.

I did think along similar lines, though substituting you for me obviously, so it's a little strange that LOLChan hasn't come out and verified Pooka.

If LOLChan is a town PR, then it follows that you must be the last remaining scum (or me if you're looking through rose tinted spectacles). Otherwise, it's all up in the air.

If there's a JoeSapphire twist, and it turns out that GameRager is the mafia equivalent of blotunga, I will genuinely cry.

I think this might be LOLChan's first game, so I'm willing to take that into account that they might not be sure what to do with their results. Hopefully the discussion will prompt some thoughts.
I guess I'm ok with having LOLchan earlier in the order but I'd really prefer you're not last as you're currently my prime suspect.

If GameRager is actually mafia then this would be a bastard game akin to ZFR's Papers Please themed game. There's no point in opening the can of WIFOM, that way lies madness and despair.

Was just gonna say that. There was a debate earlier on whether supplementscene's "Loud Ninja" role in the Captain Sapphire game was bastard or not. GameRager being a mafioso in a town mason team would be without doubt a very bastardly element, there simply can be no debate about that. Joe likes to make his games interesting and engaging, but I doubt he'd make a bastard game without announcing that it would be so.

The feeling is mutual. Reminds me of that time a rule was created.

Ah, the times we had!

from my perspective I think that scum has to be either nmillar or SirPrimalform since we got a mason clear on GR and (pretty sure) a clear on pooka from RFG.


I will claim in the next 24 hours. I won't be able to post until then so don't kill me. My claim should confirm me town but also paint a huge terget on my back for the scum. there's no turning back for me now.

Actually, RFG's post seems to suggest that you might be able to clear pooka. I'm intrigued as to why your interpretation is different.

At this stage the target on your back shouldn't matter too much. Hopefully we can narrow the pool to the extent that we'll get them either today or tomorrow.

You know what? I'm starting to have some doubts about LOLchan too. Mainly the way they seem to interpret RFG's post. Perhaps the claim will make it all make sense. I'd be ok with them going earlier in the order though.

Yeah, masons without confirmed alignment are instead called neighbours, what's more - blotunga said his PM explicitly stated that GR was town, and we've all seen blotunga's flip now. For GR to be mafia it would have to be
a) Joe lied to blotunga about GR's alignment - bastard
b) blotunga lied to us about his PM, but why would he if he's town. Unless...
c) Joe lied to us about blotunga's flip - bastard

We must assume that Joe and blotunga haven't lied to us otherwise would life even have a point?

I'm not sure why you're worried about being a target? If you're town, then you win regardless of whether you survive until the final day if town win. If your claim confirms you as town, then lynch me and GameRager today and tomorrow for the win.

GameRager? I guess you mean me rather than GR. But yes. If we can narrow the pool of possible scum to 2 then we should be home and dry.

Yeah, exactly why I asked for the bump, but then my phone lost signal anyway!

If LolChan is a PR then it's either you or NMillar.....hmm, who to pick. I am leaning more towards NMillar if we are to believe LolChan is town(and pooka is more or less confirmed town).
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Either way I say we lynch either NMillar or Lolchan next and hopefully get lucky.

1. Tbf/tbh when I wrote that bit I had not gotten to the replies where others had started pointing it out....I usually reply in order of post number and most times don't read ahead(unless I worry about it being the next action phase/"night" so I read ahead to make sure i'm not posting during an action phase/"night").

2. True, but you still seemed to not want to lose a PR and then you didn't seem to mind as much that we lost an important PR that could've helped fine more scum.

How about leading by example, or maybe we should ask the lurkers to go first?
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Tbh it is either you or Lolchan that seem to be the most likely to be scum......I don't think last scum would be so visible/make themselves such a big target....though I could be wrong and he could be very clever. All I "know" is that Pooka is likely not scum(due to RFG's post, as I don't think he would breadcrumb if he didn't have results & that post seems very much like BCs), and i'm not scum, and that's about it unless I wade through several hundred posts once again.
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To all: Pay attention to this post by LolChan and the followup when they post it.....if their claim seems genuine and/or further verifies pooka then it's either SPF or NMillar.....and i'd be going after BOTH in turn on this "day" and the next(if still alive and not NK by then).
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Read the correction below/in your new post, to be clear(so I know you meant SPF).

If LolChan is town and is a PR that's useful atm and either they or I survive we can win the game, I feel. We lynch both you and SPF and hopefully win the game even if one of us is NKd(assuming LolChan's claim is valid/true).

I wonder who scum would go after first(assuming LolChan is a town PR).....me the confirmed town, or the possible town PR? If we lynch either of you two(you/spf) and one survives till the next day we can try one more time(right?) and likely hit the last scum if everything else assumed is correct.
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All caught up, btw.....I will post more later on after I wait for more posts from everyone(such as LolChan) and will wait to vote until LC's claim is posted.
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