I asked about the time difference between your post and Sage's hammer.

You answered:
You answered my question about the timing of Sage's hammer, therefore
Then, in regards to Sage's hammer:
Meaning: If she posted only 10-15 minutes after your first (incomplete) post, then I can certainly understand not thinking to refresh even if one gets distracted. If, however, she had posted an hour or more after you, then I'd wonder why she didn't see it, since presumably she'd catch up before posting and hammering. It did seem a little odd that she didn't refresh (therefore seeing your post about typing and hammering) before hammering; since we were in the borrowed time segment, she might have cross-posted Lift saying not to post if she got distracted and then finished her post later.

From what you quoted me here, the only part related to you was the "Thanks Krypsyn".

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Okay, baby is asleep, wife isn't home from work yet, so now to spend the 10 minute wait between posts composing my thoughts related to my vote on RWarehall.

Bump, so you don't have to wait :)
(of course, you probably still need to compose your thoughts)

If they were that easy to figure out why did you ask for additional time knowing that the clock was ticking?

Old reason? This was last night (in-game, but still). How is something that happened at the very end of last night an old reason?

Warning: Potential Wall of Text, primarily about Krypsyn and RWarehall. I realize that neither might actually be scum, and I plan to go back and review what other players have said in a similar fashion to these two (Ix, Flub, and Robb, for example); but for this trip though the thread, I focused almost exclusively on posts by Krypsyn and RW.

General Thoughts:
-Time is moving on. I expect that Lift will set another timer within a few more RL days.
-Two days ago, we had 4 prods at once, then another one today. Almost 40% of our players needed a prod in the last two days.
-No votes = No lynch. This is generally considered bad for town.

Question to self: Who shall I vote for?


Two things stand out to me from the last 24 hours:

and

Krypsyn now has a vote, and RWarehall's post is worthless for anything except not being mod-killed for afk. So I went back through the thread, reading everything posted by these two players (and reading very little else), to see what they say. Memorable events are that Krypsyn had that attention drawing vote on Dedo, and RW got halfway to lynch during Day 1.

On second thought: I'm not going to give a play-by-play type timeline. If someone actually asks for it, then I'll finish it and post it, otherwise everyone can just read the thread to try and see what I'm talking about.

Here's what I see as I'm looking through:
-Krypsyn posts some tidbits, answers some questions, makes observations, and is generally present. He tossed down the vote on Dedo to stir the pot; I don't have much reason to disbelieve his explanation of why right now, so I'll accept it. He sparred some with Dedo, including on my use of the word 'loyalist'.

RW has been quiet. Unless I miscounted (possible), his fourth post is post 191 of the game, and he still hadn't said much that seems of value to me. He did question Flub about missing DD being inactive, and rightfully so. He hints at a town tell without specifying (since to specify would ruin it). He has focused on specific parts in the PM as town tells, most of which I think aren't very useful (YMMV).

Shortly after Krypsyn talks about my use of the word 'loyalist', RW weighs in, guessing it wouldn't be used by scum. Krypsyn fires back, and off they go. RW has a random looking vote swap from Kryp to Ix in here (he explains later). RW has some good looking points about Ix (though I haven't reread Ix's posts to confirm).

Kryp has been generally more helpful, in my eyes, than RW. He has posted more analysis of players, answered questions, and so on.
RW is very focused on words in the PM, to the point of garnering a mod warning.

Since I feel voting will be helpful, and I only have a closer re-read on two players, I'm going to vote for the one I feel isn't as helpful. I suspect my vote will change after I wade through the posts of some other players (Flub and Ix come to mind). Neither Krypsyn nor RW are in any danger of getting lynched by my vote at this point, so I'm not worried about leaving it in place while I look at other things.

And Adalia, as has probably become clear, I didn't need the bump. I ended up going back through their posts again while working on this. Thanks though!

I am reading through the thread again now that I had some sleep and my fingers are crossed that I am done with the 15+ hour work days.


You are a enigma to me. I really mean this. You have basically been confirmed town (not 100 percent) But I do believe you are town as of right now ( [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4dOAjXSZJ1o ]Reserve the right to change my mind -as woman often do[/url] ). Yet, Your posts... they remind me of someone who is walking the line and not picking a side. You are talking and giving ideas and things we can discuss and trying to help and then BAM I get half way through and there it is - It being the little I might have some scum on my mothers side twice removed so I have to make sure to go at it from both sides. Please see above for example. If you are not scum how do you know what they were talking about and what or what not they planned? Is there something more to you then you are letting on? Are you trying to put a spot light on yourself?

I phrased it that way because I thought I had given solid reasons for my posts (both in response to trenton and my vote on Sage (a little less so in keeping my vote on Sage, but for now I'm comfortable with it there).

I'd probably have Bookwyrm a bit higher on my scum radar were it not for the fact (and I've actually felt this way since I started playing) that I feel like he plays a very similar game to me. Town game I might add. I have to admit it's put him in a bit of a blind spot of mine, but with Twilight's claim I feel justified in that.

To be fair, I joined the Ixam wagon like everyone else. And in re-reading my post, the first paragraph was always about Ixam, although I did not specifically name him. The short second paragraph, explained why at the time why I abandoned my Krypsyn vote.

My stance on Krypsyn has softened a bit. His later explanations helped, I still have him slightly scummy but he falls to third on my list right now in the possible scum/possible town grouping. Right now CSPVG has joined the top of my list. When one starts claiming how people noticing things are gaining "scum points"...

Is it scummy to point out similarities about Ixam's role claim and Hijack's death post? How does actual investigation give one scum points over lurking and assigning blame as he has?

But seriously, Bookwyrm, I find most of your points to be fairly erratic. If it weren't for TB's claim, you'd be climbing in my list. For someone who claims to be carefully reading the thread, you seem to miss a lot that others have been picking up on. I'm also not so keen on in-depth discussion of our role mechanics. We don't really need that information. That appears to be info that is more helpful to scum. If necessary, I can wait until the end of the game for a more detailed explanation.

I have a (potentially bad) habit of looking at something from multiple sides. Helps with debugging code, but perhaps not so much here since I'm willing to post both sides of what I'm thinking.

As to your question: "If you are not scum how do you know what they were talking about and what or what not they planned?"

I'm making guesses that I think could work. To make reasonable guesses, I need to consider what scum can and can't do, and what they are likely to do. If I were scum ((Farnham's quote starts at 2:35), then one of the first things I'm going to want to talk about in the night thread with my scum buddies is who is going to die that night. Then I looked at how long they had to talk (based on when Day 2 started), and made some guesses. After picking a NK, they probably discussed some of what they might try to do during Day 2 (like who to try and lynch). However, the night was short enough that there might not have been a lot of conversation beyond the immediate scum concerns, especially since all of the scum might not have been on the same schedule. Therefore, they might not have developed a back up lynch in case their primary target suddenly became irrefutably town. I'm guessing at all this, since the only scum threads I've seen each only had one scum in them. ;)

I say I'm on town's side, and a lot of the things people have called me out for look to me like I'm just stating the obvious. Example: "If you want to lynch dedo, everyone that hasn't voted can finish him off. Otherwise, someone has to jump ship for Dedo to be lynched. I won't be voting for him though." It seemed obvious to me; I've been wondering if I should only push ideas that I like, regardless of whether I think other things are possible (or maybe even probable).

As for shining a light on myself? The things that people ask about aren't the things I'd have thought of as particularly questionable. But if scum are NK-ing me, then they aren't offing a more valuable player. I just need to avoid being lynched.

Hunh. And since I, thus far, view your posting as rather erratic, I guess that sheds some light on how people seem to see me. o.o

OK - lets get this game moving.

Bookwyrm, Rwarehall, Ix = town.

Notice Dedo has been removed from that list. Although I supported his 'tell' first day, it was completely different to mine and I didnt have that 'tell' myself - since then he has done nothing to convince me he's town, especially with missing the tell i caught...

vote jMich

excessively quiet, and was after HijacK all day 1, who has been confirmed Town

What happened to me going back to neutral if HijacK was town? Did I climb that high on your list during day 2, or was post 503 bull?

I'm trying to be a bit vague, since I guess I inadvertently kept a card at my chest. But letting RNG do it was a case of Lift informing me of exactly what my ability was outside of flavor. It was for clarification, and was labelled as such.

But to be honest, I'm pretty uncertain about that bolded part. Honestly, I'm not even sure what you're trying to get at with it, besides push that I'm somehow lying about my role, or you're fishing for more information then I may or may not be willing to give out.

I have mentioned that I was changed by an emission, not sure at the moment I can get too detailed without directly quoting.

I have to do some deeper reading, will hopefully be more active once I've slept.

Reflecting on the TwilightBard investigation and rereading Bookwyrm's posts I would like to point out the logical possibility of a godfather role. If you know you are going to be read as a townie then it frees you up to post erratically in order to garner the investigation and subsequent read as townie.

However, the semantics lesson between HijacK and JMich is what bugs me. I see JMich picking an easy target to engage in banter leading to the inevitable foot in mouth by HijacK (no offense =p ).

HijacK as townie doesn't equal JMich as townie.

Vote: JMich