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So there we go! Flavor is indeed the key. I asked earlier if anyone had any flavor text about the outskirts... And it appears someone did.
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yogsloth: So there we go! Flavor is indeed the key. I asked earlier if anyone had any flavor text about the outskirts... And it appears someone did.
Nah, I had 0 flavor text, but I know who Twilight paid a visit to last night.
Alright folks. I have 3 finals tomorrow, so I have to focus on these. Give me about 24 hours and I'll be ready for full claim and analysis of what I know transpired last night.
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HijacK: Alright folks. I have 3 finals tomorrow, so I have to focus on these. Give me about 24 hours and I'll be ready for full claim and analysis of what I know transpired last night.
I hate you! LOL (I'm ready to crunch some data now damnit! ;) ) I know I'm mainly interested in yog and CSVPG's claims right now. Normally I'd actually ask you to hold off until we've hashed through that, but I'm starting to get the feeling there's a lot of scattered information out there in this game.

But because I think the circumstances of Twilight's death are important (I'm NOT inclined to lean toward flavor) I'm actually curious about what you have to say.
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Lifthrasil: I just had another thought: IF the claim of yog that he was role-blocked is true, isn't that another evidence that he is actually a town cop? Because as far as I know blocking a cop is mostly done by scum - so IF he was blocked that means
There is also the possibility he was jailed, which means he was both blocked and protected. I really hope it wasn't a town jailer though, since that would mean we lost an investigation.
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Sage103082: I also have no idea why I was at the dinner.
The more important questions is: did you eat any of the nachos before you found out it was DarkoD13? :-D


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Sage103082: With Darko I find it hard for one person to have killed him in that fashion by themselves.
I know that in real life this kind of thing has been done by one person (I read about a case in the US a while ago where a wife did it to her husband and fed him to the pigs). Whether in this case it was one person or not I don't know, but they would probably need a good quality industrial meat grinder, unless they cut up the body and used a smaller one, but this would be a lot of work, especially due to the bones, which many smaller meat grinders wouldn't be able to cope with. I'm not sure if these details would be relevant to the game (or if I'm just getting carried away with the details), but I would look for someone with access to a meat grinder. If the dairy farm also did slaughtering after the cows reached their peak for milking (usually 4-7 years, depending on the cow and the calving season for the cows), then it could be someone who had access to the farm before or after the twins were killed, or some other place with a meat grinder that is up to the task.


I have a busy few days, but I will try to have a good read through later this evening and post my thought.
Great, at least someone seems to have some information. I shall await HijacK's reveal with baited breath.

Did any of our prize winners take their free gift out for a ride? And if so would they care to share what it was and what happened?
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HijacK: HOLY SHIT! If your logic makes sense, I.......I know what Twilight was doing at the outskirts of town. I am not ready to drop the bomb yet, but I think I know who one of the other scum is.
I have my own suspicion about that (and it's kind of a crazy theory, but still), yours seem like more potential data. I'm eager to compare notes.

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ddickinson: I know that in real life this kind of thing has been done by one person (I read about a case in the US a while ago where a wife did it to her husband and fed him to the pigs). Whether in this case it was one person or not I don't know, but they would probably need a good quality industrial meat grinder, unless they cut up the body and used a smaller one, but this would be a lot of work, especially due to the bones, which many smaller meat grinders wouldn't be able to cope with. I'm not sure if these details would be relevant to the game (or if I'm just getting carried away with the details), but I would look for someone with access to a meat grinder. If the dairy farm also did slaughtering after the cows reached their peak for milking (usually 4-7 years, depending on the cow and the calving season for the cows), then it could be someone who had access to the farm before or after the twins were killed, or some other place with a meat grinder that is up to the task.
Oh my... Why do you have to be so scarily specific? You just keep them coming, aren't you :D
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dedoporno: Oh my... Why do you have to be so scarily specific? You just keep them coming, aren't you :D
Well I have experience with all of what I said in real life, except for the murdering a human and grinding them up part. Like I said, I'm probably getting carried away with the details, but if this were real, I would be looking for someone in the town with access to a meat grinder, especially if they made them into ground meat. I guess you could do it manually with a knife, but it would take a long time, and what would the killer(s) do with the bones and left overs?
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ddickinson: Well I have experience with all of what I said in real life, except for the murdering a human and grinding them up part. Like I said, I'm probably getting carried away with the details, but if this were real, I would be looking for someone in the town with access to a meat grinder, especially if they made them into ground meat. I guess you could do it manually with a knife, but it would take a long time, and what would the killer(s) do with the bones and left overs?
Yeah, you need to stop that right now :)
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HijacK: HOLY SHIT! If your logic makes sense, I.......I know what Twilight was doing at the outskirts of town. I am not ready to drop the bomb yet, but I think I know who one of the other scum is.
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dedoporno: I have my own suspicion about that (and it's kind of a crazy theory, but still), yours seem like more potential data. I'm eager to compare notes.
I've just come up with one of my own, but I think we need to wait and see what HijacK reveals.
Role Madness is what sticks out the most to me about this game. Madness implies roles that we might not expect, unusual combinations, and/or an abundance of power roles. All the roles revealed/claimed so far are all power roles. It wouldn’t surprise me to see many more. Yogsloth and CSPVG still deserve scrutiny. I would like to believe them both but still find that foolish. I expect roles play a part behind the no reveal for RWarehall and Twilight.

In terms of flavor, much has been speculated about the different types of kills. This is probably a stretch, but could the type of transportation be a clue to different types of anti-town factions? Horses were used for the original kill and in the lynch. Twilight’s kill involved a motorized vehicle dragging him to town. Just something to note if it appears later and flavor proves to be a key to solving this.

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trentonlf: The few things that stand out to me are:
1. This sentence from flub's description of Twilightbard: A short length of rope still tied to the leg was neatly cut at one end and expertly knotted at the other. Why mention the rope was expertly tied?
I wondered if this might be telling as well. Someone who was good with knots. Scanning the wiki’s list of roles, the most obvious one was Lyncher and to a lesser extent Fisherman, but neither role description makes sense with a night kill (except a huge long-shot with the fisherman). If the details are in the flavor, it still seems like “expertly knotted” is very specific.

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JMich: There is of course the problem that Flub's last votecount before the lynch has 11 people voting for RWarehall, with 10 being needed for a lynch. So even if the theory is correct, it isn't easy to follow (yet).
I chalked this up a matter of timing. If I remember correctly, vote #10 (CSPVG) and #11 (ddickinson) were close together. I thought ddickinson cast a vote before flub had an opportunity to declare the lynch. That’s hard to verify now unless someone else remembers. If the above played out as stated, would including 11 votes be unusual?

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adaliabooks: Great, at least someone seems to have some information. I shall await HijacK's reveal with baited breath.
Did any of our prize winners take their free gift out for a ride? And if so would they care to share what it was and what happened?
Looking forward to Hijack’s report as well.

I did not use my prize last night. If my prize was investigative in nature, I would have used it. Revealing more at this point may give away too much. If the need arises later, I will share more. For now it seems unwise.
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cristigale: If the above played out as stated, would including 11 votes be unusual?
Usual case is that as soon as the necessary votes for a lynch are reached, the votes are no longer counted, whether they are cast or removed. Sometimes the mod will also list the votes in the order they were cast, though removals may mess the order a bit.

But this is flub we are talking about. Usual and flub in the same sentence only works if there's a drink or drunk in it as well.
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cristigale: Role Madness is what sticks out the most to me about this game. Madness implies roles that we might not expect, unusual combinations, and/or an abundance of power roles.
This may be so or not, but usually role madness means each and every player has a power role.

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cristigale: This is probably a stretch, but could the type of transportation be a clue to different types of anti-town factions? Horses were used for the original kill and in the lynch. Twilight’s kill involved a motorized vehicle dragging him to town. Just something to note if it appears later and flavor proves to be a key to solving this.
I believe there is a high chance that Twilight and Darko are victims to different factions. I won't be surprised one bit if one if them is Town, but no way to confirm this right now. For me the most important piece of information is exactly what HijacK talked about - the murder being committed in the outskirts of the town and in addition the threat note "Stay away".

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cristigale: I chalked this up a matter of timing. If I remember correctly, vote #10 (CSPVG) and #11 (ddickinson) were close together. I thought ddickinson cast a vote before flub had an opportunity to declare the lynch. That’s hard to verify now unless someone else remembers. If the above played out as stated, would including 11 votes be unusual?
This is my understanding as well, but I guess Jmich is referring to a potential double voter.
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cristigale: I chalked this up a matter of timing. If I remember correctly, vote #10 (CSPVG) and #11 (ddickinson) were close together. I thought ddickinson cast a vote before flub had an opportunity to declare the lynch. That’s hard to verify now unless someone else remembers. If the above played out as stated, would including 11 votes be unusual?
I did vote before flub announced the lynch, but it must have been while he was writing his lynch post. If not, why the hell did I miss out on all the fun of lynching the serial killer! :-)