Ok, skimming proves I need caffeine for this. I'll be lurking offline while a correlate some things.

Give me a couple hours - I believe we'll have something to add here.

Why wasn't I given the opportunity to respond to Vitek's role claim? As I mentioned previously, I could either clear or implicate someone based on their claim, and I could have confirmed Vitek was telling the truth without ZFR's sacrifice.

We've now got 6 remaining:

2 x Confirmed Town
2 x Mafia
2 x Unknown

If we get the lynch wrong, then it's now game over in mafia's favour, unless we get very lucky with the night actions. It may be that no lynch is now a viable option. We'd have to get the lynch right tomorrow, but we would have another round of night results to hopefully steer us in the right direction.

So, now I'm weighing up my own options. If I don't claim, then I have a huge target on my back from the remaining town, and if I do claim, then I have a huge target on my back from the mafia.

Hey everyone, we finished moving early morning (2AM), that was A LOT harder and time-consuming than I anticipated. I'm catching up with work and catch up with the game and return to normal posting some time in the next few hours. Thanks for waiting!

Ok then, wow.

It was noted. :) It is why we backed off you claiming at that moment.

Now, however, might be the time. Am I correct that a mislynch now may doom town?


There is.

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Thought process:
ZFR's comment to Lift was also noted. This now explains the changes he went thru in game.
GH left breadcrumbs inside his breadloafing - a direction of where to look for the clues to his 'madness', which he actually outright said.
Pookina was lynchless, thus could push the questions early to break out of RVS. We followed up on Bay12, it does use that method but usually frowns on too much role-related questioning to do it.

We are not hung up on the mechanics per se, but realized early that the roles with modifiers are put together like a puzzle, and we had to consider the odder combinations to make sense of what people may be saying or claiming. Catte mentions a redirector, nmillar mentioned 'bulletproof', ZFR was a universal backup and it would seem unlikely to have had 2 backups ...

So now, what would happen if Vitek was some sort of deflector, or mirror type? Is there a way the Desperado shot could reflect even if Vitek was mafia? This may become a vital question as to whether town now have two non-mafia.

It would be polite to wait for dedo to check in and catch up. We would also like to hear his thoughts/opinions.

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Patience does not seem to be one of ZFR's virtues this game, unfortunately, even tho I do see his logic tree.

Maybe this will help. Ok, why the reflector question may be vital.

I can clear one person from being the killer. It won't prove they are not mafia, just not Pookina's killer.
I will say I cannot clear Vitek.
So if Vitek is cleared by ZFR's shot, and if nmillar can provide valid confirmation Vitek is/is not a reflector and evidence of their own role, then town may be down to a 50/50 out of 2 possible killers.

So if anyone else has proofs or clues to add here ...

@nmillar - I think the next move is now yours.

Yes, any night action results people do have could swing this all in town's favour, so perhaps ZFR's sacrifice may be helpful after all.

I can clear Vitek, so from my own point of view the remaining scum are two from three of Joe, Catte and Dedo. Obviously, the town person amongst them will have to substitute my name for theirs. Vitek and bjg have two from four to pick from.

If Joe, Catte or Dedo is one of those you can clear from being the killer, then it does indeed appear to be a 50/50 chance of lynching said killer.

One is, barring a 'misdirection'. I have to confirm a 'mechanic' with our host. If, as I suspect, it turns out I'm reading something right then we may be at 50/50. ;)

BJG, Joe, Catte, I hate you now.

What's the reason for this? Only asking because Joe and Catte are two of the three that could be scum.

Because it would make sense and that's not how we do things in this game.
Seriously, you don't even get to explain your claims and people are already all over the moon, voting like madmen.

When Dreamia got shot it was all "we have confirmed towie now" and when I got shot it's "I can't decide whether he is SK or mafia reflector".
Especially Joe who I had leaning town before and he was very quick to cast doubts and keep me as option in scumpool to keep it bigger.

morning, just woke up and immediately thought "vitek can't be third party because of the claim!"

falseclaiming backup gunsmith means you need to know there is a gunsmith, which means you need a rolecop, which a third party isn't going to have

okay as I was typing this I remembered the game where I was a serial killer with rolecop shots. Maybe I'm still waking up whatever.


But yeah vitek's right - if we can doubt vitek then we can doubt BJ too. That's what you were getting at, right? >:)

You CAN doubt us. nmillar and GH even brought it up. We said then it was a valid observation and town should evaluate for themselves based on our actions. It was Vitek who then said:

While accurate, we noted Vitek did not want neutrals brought into it. It was NAI, but still something to remember if it came up again later.

As for doubting us - we've been honest (even about B misreading a couple things) from the first post. We told from the very beginning what we were doing or going to do and we did it. How do you know now that you are not the one we can clear ... unless ... ? :p

Hey everyone, I'm here and will try to catch up in my lunch break although there appears to be a lot of development since I left. Reading no.

It's not me then?

I can verify his claim as a backup gunsmith. The "Why weren't you in your room?" question was to attempt to force a claim, which I could then verify. I was unable to verify before the claim was made.