I have to say I really want to read some thoughts by CSPVG about the situation. Maybe his claim, too.

I will note though, that I find HSL and cristigale hard to read well.

We do have a few suspects to be scum. Mine would be Leonard, CSPVG, cristigale. Should we agree to check CSPVG to make sort of sure if he is scum or not? Or maybe it would be a good idea to check one of those we are not poking - namely, trentonlf or HypersomniacLive. They both are very strong players, smart as well. I can easily imagine either of them being mafia and hiding it nicely.

I am basically writing this in question form, because I am not sure and I'm looking for arguments to support or decline the idea.

Sorry if most of this comes off as gibberish. I'm quite tired.

I'd be alright going for Leonard today. Really, I'd mostly like to off Dessimu or Hunter to test out whether or not flubbucket is lying, but no one will go for that. That being said, I'm increasingly reticent due to his claim of Town Vanilla. We've only managed to kill off Town Vanilla players* (which is good, in the grand scheme of things, as it means we've missed out on killing possible important power rolls), and I still maintain that I don't really have much to go on when it comes to Leonard.

Another part of me, however, thinks that it would be very easy for him to claim Town Vanilla at this point, and that many of you seem to have spotted things in his posts which you believe to be very scummy indeed.

So, in short, I'll hammer his wagon a little closer to the deadline if there hasn't been a major development in a new direction.

Dessimu: I know you're trying to get a rise out of me with post #565, but I'm just going to shrug and walk off. We've had this chat about misrepresenting, and sometimes downright twisting, the things I've said to make me seem scummy. You may see this as scum hunting, but it really just reinforces a lot of my problems that I've had with you this game.

Of course, you don't have to take everything I say at face value, but I still feel like you're representing totally innocuous things that I've said as the height of scummy behaviour.

Dedo: Do you seriously want me to claim at this point? If that's what the majority of you want me to do, so be it.

*This is mostly because of an irritatingly paranoid part of my brain that thinks, "Maybe we're all just Town Vanilla players or Mafia Goons, with one Serial Killer thrown in just for the hell of it."

If I believe flubb, I have to believe Dessimu and Hunter are town (unless some sort of redirection occurred and I don’t see any evidence of that). When I first saw his claim, I thought flubb might be pulling a fast one. After a review of how everything went down, I was fairly certain he was telling the truth. Then I thought I saw a slip, if no one else sees anything in it, perhaps I overreacted on that matter. So I am back going with my read that what flubb claims makes the most sense.

I only see no-lynch as viable if no one stands out as scummy. This is not the case.

My top suspects are Leonard and then CSPVG. I can see Leonard’s play being one scum trying to detract from a buddy’s wagon. If Leonard flips scum, that CSPVG is likely in cahoots.

I am not as convinced that CSPVG by himself is scum. He encouraged players to switch to Dessimu, however, the players he encouraged switching from (Lift and hunter) are also town (Lift for certain and Hunter if you believe flubb.) Not sure why scum would do this. His hammer of Lift, however, may have been scum growing impatient.

My third suspect is a big WIFOM argument between the remaining three players: dedo, hyper, and trent. Dedo seems to have received the least suspicion of the remaining three players. This makes me a little concerned if he is scum because he’s completely fooled me in the past. Hyper is struggling with RL issues, which is unfortunate. I see him making an honest effort. He’s seemed town to me as well. Trent’s play seems consistent with other games. When I’ve found him suspicious in the past, he was town.

Is this to be interpreted that there are no power roles in this game?

What if...

Unvote: flubbucket
Vote: CSPVG

Let's lynch this mafia power role.

Thing is we don't really have that much slack for such things on one hand and on another they are quite likely to flip Town which will confirm only that flub didn't lie about their alignments, not that he is an actual cop. Role cop, watcher or tracker on the other hand would be a lot more useful at this point but if we are being played we probably don't have too much time for that either.

I kind of do. Even more so now. Getting night flavor and openly pondering on how everyone could be Town Vanillas and Goons seem contradictory and confusing to say the least.

@all - if leonard is lynched and flips town, is CSPVG still suspicious?

also, If CSPVG is lynched and flips town, is Leonard still suspicious?

Worst case scenario is we lynch town, do we learn more from one over the other?

Dessimu: Yes, that's what I meant to imply. It's not really a serious, rational consideration, though, but do with it what you will.

Leonard: Okay.

Dedo: Fine, I shan't wait for the majority to say a thing. I'll just come out with it (it's actually one of the reasons why I even brought up the 'no power roles' idea), I'm Dr. Charlotte Rand, Professor of Global Management. I'm Town Vanilla.

Yet you had night flavor? Would you mind telling me how that works?

Tryin' to make a point.

I have night flavor as well. In yogsloth's games everyone does/did.

And what did you do last night according to it?

Ordered some pizza (as noted). After that I cleaned up a little, and hit the sack.

Leonard: Okay.

Dedo: We'll have to get into it with yogsloth after the game, I guess. I could only come up with two reasons why it would be included at all: 1) Yogsloth likes writing flavour, and thus does it to make his modding experience and our game experience more pleasurable; 2) it could possibly reveal to us that we had been visited at night, if there are any power roles in this game that do that sort of thing.