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Hmm... I have a few questions for yogsloth:

@Yogsloth How useful/important do you, personally, think Cop is for town, in general? Are you happy with the role? Any second thoughts?

Feel free to ignore any or all of the questions. Sometimes, the questions just need to be asked in and of themselves.

lol

It must be because of you though. :P Also, I feel the love! :3

Oh, boy. Here it goes!

While we are on this subject, let me intervene and say that posts can be interpreted in many ways and different individuals will question you regardless.

It... it doesn't? What? How did town win all of these previous games if this is how this game goes? I simply can't fathom.

Vote agent

I may be joking around and all, but this... this... do I even have to explain why this doesn't bode well with me? Am I the only one seeing something quite ridiculous here?

Yes. That line of reasoning is erroneous and a waste of potential discussion. You should use your own mind to play the game, not that of others. Drifting with the flow will inevitably bring you to the ocean. Then you're lost. Would you like to be lost?

Now it's painful to click on them. Just kidding. :P

Try me!

I'm sorry, but what a blatant load of tosh. You could make this case if Lift was hammering yogs, but considering Lift's vote is only the second vote on yogs there's no real risk of discussion being stifled by Lift voting as he has, there would have to be a hell of a lot of scum for them to quick hammer..
Trying to present placing a vote as stifling discussion (which is what you have done) is ridiculously scummy.

Firstly I think your putting far too much weight on that sentence, and taking it some what out of context, but ignoring that, let's look at your points.
You think Lift knows yogs is some form of anti town (in which case his vote is entirely justified) which is not impossible, and you are saying that by voting for him and pushing him for more information about his actions this is some how anti town. What?
Even if Lift is 100% sure yogs is anti town, he still needs to convince the rest of us this is the case. If he votes yogs and then, I don't know, starts having an argument with HijacK about something else entirely that's not pro town.
Again, trying to state that someone voting for a target they know is scum is scummy is really scummy...

You are clearly misunderstanding Lynch All Liars here. The point is town shouldn't lie, because it is detrimental to their chances to win, therefore lynching town players who lie is generally pro town (but shouldn't actually happen as town shouldn't lie). There are of course some exceptions (what transpired with trent and dedo last game, although I'm not sure how much any of that was lying as it was a misunderstanding) but if yogs is town and lying about his role then that is not pro town behaviour. If you could prove to me he is 100% town and lied, then no I would not lynch him, but if you could prove that he had lied but couldn't prove he was town then I would lynch him in a heartbeat, as more often than not those who lie are scum (or neutral) and lynching a liar is pretty much second best lynch target after lynching someone who has been investigated as scum (or outright claimed it, but we don't see that often)

Altogether this comes off really badly to me. Like you're trying far too hard to make Lift look bad and get him lynched. It's not to say there is nothing at all wrong with his play, but you are portraying it as far scummier than it is.

A noble quest young paladin.

Yep. That's the correct interpretation.

Small correction: I will lynch any liar and risk hitting town in the process, yes, because town should never lie. All (somewhat experienced) town know that and therefore won't lie. That means, when one lynches a prooven liar, one has a big chance of hitting scum.
Since you are new, let me explain to you, why town should NEVER lie: catching scum at lies or self-contradictions is our main weapon of finding scum. If town starts to lie too, all things get muddled up. Caught scum can just fall back to: "Yea, I said that, but I was just lying because..." So basically if townies start to lie too, we have almost no chance of winning the game. Therefore "Don't lie, ever!" is one of the rules of good town play. Since most players follow that rule, 'lynch all liars' is good town play too and has a high chance of hitting scum.
Yog knows that. That means either he is scum, trying to hide in plain sight by making such an obvious mistake that everybody goes 'ah no, he can't be that stupid' and ignores him. Or he is really a town cop who intentionally hurts town - which I find hard to believe. Or he is intentionally trying to get lynched (Jester or vengeful), in which case it is actually better to lynch him than to risk lynching a townie, if we don't find a better candidate.

As a summary: at the moment I don't see anyone as more likely scum that Yog. Therefore he is my prime target. I would, however, be against lynching him now, since we would waste the day. But since there is no danger of a high speed train on him forming at the moment, my vote is well placed where it is. It is, as it should be, placed on the player I find scummiest at the moment.


And finally a question to Yogsloth:
Would you please explain, why you claimed so early and what benefit that action is supposed to bring to town?

Rofl.
Now I know something is really wrong, JMich is defending yogsloth? ;)

Thanks for the answer (although I would still like yogs to answer too).
As for 3), it's not impossible there are 4 scum, we are looking at a large game, but it's less likely that all four of you are scum and have tied yourselves together quite so neatly so early in the game. But then I wouldn't have thought someone would claim town cop first post of the game, so what the hell do I know?

In general? Quite.


Thus far in my Forum Mafia experience, I've had a number of different roles. It may sound like a load of politically correct codswallop, but so far I've found every role (or even lack thereof) adds to the enjoyment of getting to try something new and different. I am neither happy nor unhappy with the hand I was dealt this time, even though it's actually my second go at Cop.


None at all.

This is actually pretty good. Stick tap to JMich, although we agree to disagree on 3a.


No, not really. See above. Going in circles a bit now, eh?

But I'm still comfortable in my own skin at this point.

Joker.

Hmmm, can't find that one on the Wiki.

Perhaps you are checking the wrong one.

Trent was asked if something happened to him the night before. Trent said no. Something actually happened to him. Trent lied. I'd say it fits the pattern you outlined. Add his vehement questioning of others and their night actions or events and that just adds to the suspicious post-its.

That seems like a bit of deliberate misunderstanding there. Yes, the case would be stronger if yogsloth was at L-1, but my point stands. The way I read it, Lifthrasil would be perfectly happy if 7 other people jumped on the wagon in the next 15 minutes.

@ Lifthrasil - Is this understanding correct?

I feel that 7 people voting for yogsloth would be a Terrible mistake for Town. Perhaps I should have thrown a few more qualifiers and modifiers into my argument, but I didn't feel it necessary. Maybe I will next time.

I disagree that I'm "putting far too much weight on that sentence, and taking it some what out of context..."
I didn't quote the sentence before it, "It wouldn't be good play to ignore such a blatant offering," but that it might have helped my argument. I'm saying that yogsloth isn't stupid enough to make "a blatant offering". Has yogsloth ever made a "blatant offering" just because he felt like it. Yes he has made mistakes and played foolish gambits, but a "blatant offering?" I don't think so.

This is using and building on my Argument #1. If Lifthrasil is 100% sure that yogsloth is anti-town, then yes, he does need to convince the rest of us. Have you seen any convincing? Sorry, but he's basically saying "yogsloth played stupid, so we should lynch him."
Go ahead. Have a field day with how I am 'putting words in Lifthrasil's mouth'.
Problem is, I'm doing it intentionally. That is how I read him. That is why he is scummy.

No, I think that I perfectly understand Lynch All Liars. My point is that Town doesn't lie. If there is someone that I am convinced is Town, I take everything they say as gospel truth.
I'm sorry, but I don't see how lynching Town because they lie is especially pro-Town. Call me crazy, but every Town player is a Town player. I'm glad that you admit that if he was Town and lied, you wouldn't lynch him, but Lifthrasil is saying that if yogsloth was 100% Town and lied, then Lifthrasil would be quite happy to lynch him.
And yogsloth hasn't been proven to have lied. Lifthrasil seems to be quite certain he is lying, but nothing, I repeat, nothing has proved that yogsloth has lied.
So Lifthrasil is quite willing to lynch a player that has maybe lied and is maybe Town. That doesn't sit right.

Again, go ahead. Grumble and Groan about how I'm misunderstanding you and twisting your words and I'm actually scummy, but I'm just saying what I see.


Thank you, Lifthrasil. I understand now. unvote Lifthrasil

Now that is what I think of as scumhunting.

I saw something in Lifthrasil's posts that didn't sit right with me. I voted for him, with little explanation, to see what he would do. When nothing came of it and people were questioning my vote, I turned on the heat. I clearly (I hope :) explained my reasoning and asked specific questions of him. Now that he has replied to my satisfaction, I take my vote off him.

Good to know I’m not the only one. I posted my two posts from late last night/early morning without a problem. Planned on posting a third one and on refresh, the last 20 or so posts disappeared, including my last two. The first one was not much of a loss. I still had the second one in Word, just in case. Decided that was a sign to call it a night. Glad to see the forum is back to normal.