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Export: They're almost like Monty Python sketches, just like the bizarre NPC conversations that go like "Hello", "Hello", "I saw a mudcrab", "I hear Morrowind is in danger!", "Good bye", "Hello". Almost everything they do is a malfunctioning, laughable mess. At least everyone else seems to be on the same page now that Fallout 76 is getting so much coverage.
HAHA i remember some of that. I recall watching some information where them coughing before/after the conversation was a way to initialize it and start them talking rumors for you to overhear. But often the conversations would seem... silly :P
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Yup, they are banning people who find and test exploits and report them.....and even IF that is an automated system handing out such punishments the appeals are MANUAL yet no one has succeeded with an appeal yet(that I know of).

(Video by Yong Yea.....he also did a previous vid on the first dude banned a few days ago & it should also be still on his channel)
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Export: At least everyone else seems to be on the same page now that Fallout 76 is getting so much coverage.
While it had bugs and other issues as well, most people hate Fallout 76 because it's not the traditional Bethesda game at all. They wanted Fallout 5 and got a weird online game without any NPCs in it. So you disliking Bethesda games in general doesn't really mean Fallout 76 proves you right. Most people who hate that game would love a "real" Bethesda game.
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rtcvb32: Keep hearing worse and worse news on Bethesda's recent actions. At this moment i would suggest not buying anything Bethesda, even if it's on sale on GoG.
I kinda disagree, imo if we can get more games here that people want, like Skyrim and Fallout 4 and (in my case) original Doom 3, then Bethesda should be rewarded for actually bringing them.
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tfishell: I kinda disagree, imo if we can get more games here that people want, like Skyrim and Fallout 4 and (in my case) original Doom 3, then Bethesda should be rewarded for actually bringing them.
I agree with rewarding good behavior and the like. However they've gone way in the deep end. The easiest way to have them change would be to really hurt their pocketbook by refusing to give them any money. On the other hand if they keep getting money changes in Bethesda for the better are delayed or perhaps even go away as they survive off old products.

That's what i notice about a lot of corrupt companies, they have a LONG line of old successful products to use as a back catalog.

Let's take Disney. Disney is doing stupid choices, however even if several movies fail to give them money, they rely on older classics that people still will pay for, even as they do a 8th 9th or 10th re-release as 'gold silver platinum Pseudo 3D with 3 extra songs and updating the visuals' which doesn't mean they are giving a new product, they are just reselling an older product and some people with good fond memories may buy the newest release. Not to mention the Disney Micky-mouse copyright extension they pushed back early 2000's and got through which screws with copyright in a way that only corporations can take advantage of them, and by the time they are going to expire again they will push it from 70+life to some other absurd number so they never have to give away any part of their monopoly.

I have to take things simply; If i see a company favorably i will buy from them. If not i won't, even if they have good products from the past. I see a LOT of companies being unfavorable right now. Apple, Microsoft, Google, Bethesda, Ubisoft, Gillette, Hershey's, among others.
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Export: At least everyone else seems to be on the same page now that Fallout 76 is getting so much coverage.
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StingingVelvet: While it had bugs and other issues as well, most people hate Fallout 76 because it's not the traditional Bethesda game at all. They wanted Fallout 5 and got a weird online game without any NPCs in it. So you disliking Bethesda games in general doesn't really mean Fallout 76 proves you right. Most people who hate that game would love a "real" Bethesda game.
What you're saying definitely plays into it but the vast majority of negative coverage of Falout 76 (which is pretty much all the coverage it gets) focuses on the bugs. Before the game came out there was dismay at it being this online-only thing but after it launched the focus switched to how atrociously glitchy and unfinished it is, right up to the current thing about the premium membership thing not working properly.

This video, "The 1001 Glitches of Fallout 76" has 1.2 million views and captures the spirit of the dislike of the game. I don't really see much about "not my Fallout" anymore. And yes, it's an actual compilation and description of 1001 bugs in the game.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6HdBplLmuU
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untshure14: Does anyone here feel sorry for bethesda?
Well, if they turn themselves around and start doing the right thing, especially supporting GOG a lot more, anything is possible.

I have a bit of spare cash, they just need to provide some more decent product here.
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tfishell: I kinda disagree, imo if we can get more games here that people want, like Skyrim and Fallout 4 and (in my case) original Doom 3, then Bethesda should be rewarded for actually bringing them.
I assume you want D3 so much for OTHERS to buy it, or to have a simple installer.....cuz one can buy D3 discs online for cheap on some sites. :)


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rtcvb32: I have to take things simply; If i see a company favorably i will buy from them. If not i won't, even if they have good products from the past. I see a LOT of companies being unfavorable right now. Apple, Microsoft, Google, Bethesda, Ubisoft, Gillette, Hershey's, among others.
If you scrutinized every company's actions you could likely find something to warrant a personal boycott....what do you do when you cannot buy anything because of that? Just curious.
Post edited November 11, 2019 by GameRager
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tfishell: I kinda disagree, imo if we can get more games here that people want, like Skyrim and Fallout 4 and (in my case) original Doom 3, then Bethesda should be rewarded for actually bringing them.
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GameRager: I assume you want D3 so much for OTHERS to buy it, or to have a simple installer.....cuz one can buy D3 discs online for cheap on some sites. :)
Yeah I've seen Amazon prices, not bad.

I've played Doom 3 before via "ways" but I'd like to give Bethesda my money directly via GOG for this title. For others too, sure.

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tfishell: I kinda disagree, imo if we can get more games here that people want, like Skyrim and Fallout 4 and (in my case) original Doom 3, then Bethesda should be rewarded for actually bringing them.
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rtcvb32: I agree with rewarding good behavior and the like. However they've gone way in the deep end. The easiest way to have them change would be to really hurt their pocketbook by refusing to give them any money. On the other hand if they keep getting money changes in Bethesda for the better are delayed or perhaps even go away as they survive off old products.

That's what i notice about a lot of corrupt companies, they have a LONG line of old successful products to use as a back catalog.
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I have to take things simply; If i see a company favorably i will buy from them. If not i won't, even if they have good products from the past. I see a LOT of companies being unfavorable right now. Apple, Microsoft, Google, Bethesda, Ubisoft, Gillette, Hershey's, among others.
That's a fair decision for some folks to make.
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tfishell: Yeah I've seen Amazon prices, not bad.

I've played Doom 3 before via "ways" but I'd like to give Bethesda my money directly via GOG for this title. For others too, sure.
No offense, but I don't think bethesda needs a few extra bucks...call it a hunch. ;)

I get why you want to do it, though, and support that.
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rtcvb32: I have to take things simply; If i see a company favorably i will buy from them. If not i won't, even if they have good products from the past. I see a LOT of companies being unfavorable right now. Apple, Microsoft, Google, Bethesda, Ubisoft, Gillette, Hershey's, among others.
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GameRager: If you scrutinized every company's actions you could likely find something to warrant a personal boycott....what do you do when you cannot buy anything because of that? Just curious.
No company is perfect, but there's a lot of companies not going out of their way to screw their customers. I dislike Amazon but once in a while i will order from them because there's no other choice. There's dozens of other razor companies, there's other places to buy electronics, to get food, etc, and some of them even local where you can support your local economy.

I'm going stand up as much on principle as i can. And i think 98% of the time i will succeed.
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Export: What you're saying definitely plays into it but the vast majority of negative coverage of Falout 76 (which is pretty much all the coverage it gets) focuses on the bugs. Before the game came out there was dismay at it being this online-only thing but after it launched the focus switched to how atrociously glitchy and unfinished it is, right up to the current thing about the premium membership thing not working properly.
Bethesda games have always had lots of "it's buggy" complaints though. Yet they were all massive hits with a huge fanbase. Maybe 76 is worse than the others, but you can't convince me that if it was singleplayer it would still be so reviled. It's at least a combination of both factors.

Also, I can't help but point out I've never really had any bug issues with Bethesda games. Some minor open world jank here and there, which every game like that has, but not much else. Maybe it's because I game on PC, and don't use many mods, but I can only report my personal experience.
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rtcvb32: No company is perfect, but there's a lot of companies not going out of their way to screw their customers. I dislike Amazon but once in a while i will order from them because there's no other choice. There's dozens of other razor companies, there's other places to buy electronics, to get food, etc, and some of them even local where you can support your local economy.

I'm going stand up as much on principle as i can. And i think 98% of the time i will succeed.
All of that is understandable and noble of you....I was merely asking as I was curious what you would do if you found most businesses for one thing you needed to be lacking/etc in the morals department.
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GameRager: All of that is understandable and noble of you....I was merely asking as I was curious what you would do if you found most businesses for one thing you needed to be lacking/etc in the morals department.
Then i would probably have to rate them based on how greedy/a monopoly they are. Thus Amazon would be at the bottom of the list, near the middle would be Walmart, and near the top would be smaller businesses while questionable don't own a monopoly.

But in the case of only one company providing X (say, Fallout games) and i absolutely had to get my fallout fix, that would depend. Although there are plenty enough other strategy games that have a different genre but have a similar system while not being as amorale as Bethesda currently is. I would rather purchase full price the outer worlds from Obsidian (a wholly superior game than anything Fallout Bethesda ever put out) than get Fallout games at 85% off, or get the game from another source.

Thankfully Fallout isn't my bag baby, Nor are FPS or Sports games so Activision CoD, Modern Warfare and Fifa are easy games to avoid. And of course EA battlefront too...
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rtcvb32: Thankfully Fallout isn't my bag baby, Nor are FPS or Sports games so Activision CoD, Modern Warfare and Fifa are easy games to avoid. And of course EA battlefront too...
Loved your reply.... mostly was good up until this bit....disliking fallout and FPS? You cad! o.0