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einarabelc5: Being Jaded is something I don't like. It's depressing. Shrug shoulders: What are you gonna do?
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cjrgreen: One man's "jaded" is another man's "skeptical". I've been doing this for more than thirty years. I've seen too much silliness to be anything but skeptical. I know the math he's been hand-waving away. I know the real pioneers in computer graphics and how they work. This guy has to prove he's one of them before I'll listen. He has not attempted to do so. He will not be worth my time until he does.
Don't take it personally. I meant that this:
"There have been too many examples of supposedly revolutionary algorithms that were held secret until they turned out to be failures for me to get too excited about this one."
Combined with this:

"I've seen too much silliness to be anything but skeptical. "

Doesn't leave much space but to be jaded.
I believe Carmack above anybody else on the subject (including the "experts" here). The mere fact, that he didn't try to ridicule these claims should say something about the feasibility of the tech.
Post edited August 27, 2011 by tolknaz
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tolknaz: I believe Carmack above anybody else on the subject (including the "experts" here). The mere fact, that he didn't try to ridicule these claims should say something about the feasibility of the tech.
Yepp..more over John Carmack in the recent interview said hes working on the next ID tech engine which is using Ray Tracing on objects made by Voxels stored in Quadtree data structure..
Post edited August 27, 2011 by Anarki_Hunter
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tolknaz: I believe Carmack above anybody else on the subject (including the "experts" here). The mere fact, that he didn't try to ridicule these claims should say something about the feasibility of the tech.
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Anarki_Hunter: Yepp..more over John Carmack in the recent interview said hes working on the next ID tech engine which is using Ray Tracing on objects made by Voxels stored in Quadtree data structure..
That's the difference right there. Carmack is open about what he is doing. That one sentence said more about the technology Carmack is working with, and gives more confidence in what he is doing, than every stupid dog and pony show Dell has ever trotted out.

Voxels are legitimate technology. Technology that its author claims is not voxels because nobody took him seriously when he called them voxels is not legitimate; bullshit is still bullshit.
Post edited August 27, 2011 by cjrgreen
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Anarki_Hunter: Yepp..more over John Carmack in the recent interview said hes working on the next ID tech engine which is using Ray Tracing on objects made by Voxels stored in Quadtree data structure..
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cjrgreen: That's the difference right there. Carmack is open about what he is doing. That one sentence said more about the technology Carmack is working with, and gives more confidence in what he is doing, than every stupid dog and pony show Dell has ever trotted out.

Voxels are legitimate technology. Technology that its author claims is not voxels because nobody took him seriously when he called them voxels is not legitimate; bullshit is still bullshit.
Show me an interview of how open Carmack was when he did Wolf 3D.
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cjrgreen: That's the difference right there. Carmack is open about what he is doing. That one sentence said more about the technology Carmack is working with, and gives more confidence in what he is doing, than every stupid dog and pony show Dell has ever trotted out.

Voxels are legitimate technology. Technology that its author claims is not voxels because nobody took him seriously when he called them voxels is not legitimate; bullshit is still bullshit.
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einarabelc5: Show me an interview of how open Carmack was when he did Wolf 3D.
Don't have to.

Carmack said more that wasn't mere bullshit with that one statement than Bruce Dell has said in eight years of beating this dead horse.
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tolknaz: I believe Carmack above anybody else on the subject (including the "experts" here). The mere fact, that he didn't try to ridicule these claims should say something about the feasibility of the tech.
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Anarki_Hunter: Yepp..more over John Carmack in the recent interview said hes working on the next ID tech engine which is using Ray Tracing on objects made by Voxels stored in Quadtree data structure..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Id_Tech_6
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einarabelc5: Show me an interview of how open Carmack was when he did Wolf 3D.
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cjrgreen: Don't have to.

Carmack said more that wasn't mere bullshit with that one statement than Bruce Dell has said in eight years of beating this dead horse.
You don't get it do you? They're not on the same situation.
Post edited August 29, 2011 by einarabelc5
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Anarki_Hunter: Yepp..more over John Carmack in the recent interview said hes working on the next ID tech engine which is using Ray Tracing on objects made by Voxels stored in Quadtree data structure..
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einarabelc5: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Id_Tech_6
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cjrgreen: Don't have to.

Carmack said more that wasn't mere bullshit with that one statement than Bruce Dell has said in eight years of beating this dead horse.
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einarabelc5: You don't get it do you? They're not on the same situation.
Both are working on technology that they claim is useful for some purpose. That is not different; it is the same. Carmack actually said he was using particular base algorithms and technologies that are meaningful and understood. Dell has never done anything that is not mere hand-waving and crying that he is misunderstood. I'm tired of him. He can take this snake oil that he's been trying to sell for eight years and dump it in the bit bucket for all I care. He will never have any cred in this industry. I am through discussing him.
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einarabelc5: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Id_Tech_6


You don't get it do you? They're not on the same situation.
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cjrgreen: Both are working on technology that they claim is useful for some purpose. That is not different; it is the same. Carmack actually said he was using particular base algorithms and technologies that are meaningful and understood. Dell has never done anything that is not mere hand-waving and crying that he is misunderstood. I'm tired of him. He can take this snake oil that he's been trying to sell for eight years and dump it in the bit bucket for all I care. He will never have any cred in this industry. I am through discussing him.
Carmack is rich and successful. Dell is NOT. If he's a snake oils salesman is just a matter of time. He has the power to prove or disprove himself, you don't and you feel frustrated because of it when in reality all you have to do is wait.