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Immoli:
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cmdr_flashheart: I agree, online authentication doesn't qualify as "DRM-free".

I read that they re-encrypt the installer if you choose to keep it after downloading. Seriously, wtf- that's not DRM-free by any measure.
The one time I got something from them it was clear by the installation process that DRM-free was not a concept they really understood or even cared to. I have no idea what it is like now, but it sounds the same if you actually do end up with an installer and not a Steam key. Which at this point I don't even understand how places like GG and GreenMan work. It seems like you are really just buying from Steam via proxy.
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cmdr_flashheart: I agree, online authentication doesn't qualify as "DRM-free".

I read that they re-encrypt the installer if you choose to keep it after downloading. Seriously, wtf- that's not DRM-free by any measure.
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gooberking: The one time I got something from them it was clear by the installation process that DRM-free was not a concept they really understood or even cared to. I have no idea what it is like now, but it sounds the same if you actually do end up with an installer and not a Steam key. Which at this point I don't even understand how places like GG and GreenMan work. It seems like you are really just buying from Steam via proxy.
That's a little harsh considering they've been around for years and still have a massive selection of games to choose from that don't require steam. They probably have one of the biggest DRM free selections out there and they actually started including steam keys with some games that are drm free because their customer base requested it.

They've also said they will reactivate any installation limit on drm'd games no questions asked for as long as they exist. I like them, they carry a lot of games gog and steam don't have, I've had no issues with their customer support, and their blue coin system (automatic store credit for every purchase) is pretty cool.

GOG is always my main store, but if It's steamworks or not on GOG I look to gamersgate.
Post edited April 08, 2014 by Messi_is_Messiah
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gooberking: The one time I got something from them it was clear by the installation process that DRM-free was not a concept they really understood or even cared to. I have no idea what it is like now, but it sounds the same if you actually do end up with an installer and not a Steam key. Which at this point I don't even understand how places like GG and GreenMan work. It seems like you are really just buying from Steam via proxy.
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Messi_is_Messiah: That's a little harsh considering they've been around for years and still have a massive selection of games to choose from that don't require steam. They probably have one of the biggest DRM free selections out there and they actually started including steam keys with some games that are drm free because their customer base requested it.

They've also said they will reactivate any installation limit on drm'd games no questions asked for as long as they exist. I like them, they carry a lot of games gog and steam don't have, I've had no issues with their customer support, and their blue coin system (automatic store credit for every purchase) is pretty cool.

GOG is always my main store, but if It's steamworks or not on GOG I look to gamersgate.
Well I will have to take your word on it, as I'm no expert on them. I heard a lot of people saying they were basically a steam key reseller at this point, but they very well may be as much of an exception to the phenomenon as one can expect to find. From what I can see of GMG on the other hand they are a key seller which is the practice I don't understand. Sales misalignment aside, just buy from Steam if your going to be in it anyway.
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gooberking:
Steam doesn't always have the best sales or prices, which is where these steam resellers come in handy.
Now that I'm a member (ha ha ha) I've been browsing their catalogue and the one thing that strikes me is that these people will take ANYTHING, label it 'bonus content' or 'add-on', and stick a price on it. Shit that GOG gives you when you buy the game like artwork, avatars, maps they are selling. I don't know if that is typical of on line distributors but it is kind of sad.
This is an awesome game:
http://www.gamersgate.com/DD-DEWH/devil-whiskey

EDIT: Also DRM-free for realz
Post edited April 09, 2014 by Crosmando
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Messi_is_Messiah: That's a little harsh considering they've been around for years and still have a massive selection of games to choose from that don't require steam. They probably have one of the biggest DRM free selections out there and they actually started including steam keys with some games that are drm free because their customer base requested it.
No they haven't got DRM free games, because they do not understand the principle of it or they just lie.
Try installing their games without an active Internet connection or read OFGs posts.
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Klumpen0815: ... The whole idea of Steam key reselling is bollocks, since one of the advantages of this kind of centralized digital distribution is to not need resellers... ...
It mostly is but maybe still it allows for a tiny bit of price competition. After all why not selling Steam keys in any way you like, like with a McDonalds meal or whatever...
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ET3D: Every developer wants to be on Steam, and all the roads lead to Steam. Games you buy in various stores are activated on Steam and you play on Steam. This makes Steam highly valuable.
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Klumpen0815: It does make it avoidable. I never bought a single game that had to be activated on Steam.
Since most retail games seem to be Steam polluted for many years now and I got tired of checking if it is, I only buy here and on sites that clearly say if a game needs Steam or not.
Sure it's avoidable, but that's not the point. The point is that it eliminates competition for Steam as a service (not as a store). People who already use Steam have no reason to try another service because the can buy at a multitude of stores and still play only on Steam.
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Klumpen0815: ... Try installing their games without an active Internet connection or read OFGs posts.
Well if you happen to have backuped the installer which is easy enough than there isn't much difference to GOG. Yes, they have their quirks but they also have quite a large number of games that do not exist on GOG for one reason or another. Most of them are not good but still...
Anyone got a top 5 or top 10 list of drm free games off GG to buy ? (those games not on GOG that is )
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Niggles: Anyone got a top 5 or top 10 list of drm free games off GG to buy ? (those games not on GOG that is )
Bastion ?
Tomb Raider Underworld ?
Breath of Death VII & Cthulhu Saves the World ?
Cryostasis ?
Death to Spies ?
XIII Lost Identity ?

Without any information on your favorite game genres, it's quite difficult to say...
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Niggles: Anyone got a top 5 or top 10 list of drm free games off GG to buy ? (those games not on GOG that is )
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sebarnolds: Bastion ?
Tomb Raider Underworld ?
Breath of Death VII & Cthulhu Saves the World ?
Cryostasis ?
Death to Spies ?
XIII Lost Identity ?

Without any information on your favorite game genres, it's quite difficult to say...
Whoops i should have specified casual drm free games :D
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gooberking: Well I will have to take your word on it, as I'm no expert on them. I heard a lot of people saying they were basically a steam key reseller at this point, but they very well may be as much of an exception to the phenomenon as one can expect to find. From what I can see of GMG on the other hand they are a key seller which is the practice I don't understand. Sales misalignment aside, just buy from Steam if your going to be in it anyway.
GMG also has their own service, the "Capsule" or whatever it is. I think their selling point at least used to be that some Capsuie games could be sold again after use, ie. a second-hand market for digital games.

However, I think GMG has mostly become a Steam (and maybe Origin?) key seller now, lowering their own Capsule service into irrelevancy. I wonder if anyone still buys Capsule games specifically? I have only ever bought a couple of Steam keys from GMG.

The point of these various third-party Steam key sellers is that they should be able to sell Steam keys cheaper than Valve/Steam can themselves, as they don't have to pay anything for the service (Steam) itself, and apparently don't have to give a cut to Valve either (at least for now). So they are a bit like leeches and freeloaders on Valve's expense, but with Valve's blessing. Valve gets even more presence in the PC gaming market with these other key sellers, and at the same time it lessens the interest of these other stores to improve their own infrastructure (GMG Capsule, GamersGate's own download service, Humble Bundle's own service etc.). The more they sell Steam keys, the more they make their own service and infrastructure irrelevant.

Maybe that is also why GOG has decided not to join the ranks of Steam lackeys by start selling/offering also Steam keys, knowing that would weaken their own service (which IMHO has happened to GMG, GamersGate and even HumbleStore, for this very reason). I don't think it takes much to become a Steam key seller that just gathers breadcrumbs from Valve's table, anyone can do it.
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Niggles: *snip*
Whoops i should have specified casual drm free games :D
How about these? :

Croixleur
100% Orange Juice
Fortix
Fortix 2
KAMUI
Critical Mass
Savant - Ascent