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Pheace: ...
If you're going to consider 20 years as not viable for a 'rental' model then you should probably apply that to the 'GOG model' as well. Look back 20 years, see where gaming was then and how much you still use that, or are even able to use it. In 20 years, I don't have any particular faith that I'll still be using/able to use my GOG games. I don't even know if I'll be using a PC anymore.
Yes, that is the irrational part of it. Most of my CD/DVD games collection I will not need in 20 years but whenever I look over it, I feel happy and proud. I feel like a king of a small but beautiful kingdom. Looking at the GOG gameshelf doesn't give me the same feeling. It's the sense of complete and utter ownership that I am besotted with, even if it doesn't make a big difference in practice.

Obviously others feel different and are happy with renting games. I can in no way change them but I can make clear why I feel different.
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Pheace: If you're going to consider 20 years as not viable for a 'rental' model then you should probably apply that to the 'GOG model' as well. Look back 20 years, see where gaming was then and how much you still use that, or are even able to use it. In 20 years, I don't have any particular faith that I'll still be using/able to use my GOG games. I don't even know if I'll be using a PC anymore.
Interestingly enough, the fact that we "only" buy licenses is actually beneficial for us in the long run. Because due to owning licences and not the games itself, every "refurbishment" done on the games by either the licence giver (eg. EA) or our "subscription partners" (GOG/Steam). Pretty much every time one of those make an old game runable on modern hardware, you can get the patch yourself for free.

Recent legislation even suggests that purely digital delivery actually might have more rights as retail, because due to the physicality of retail, a game might be seen to be sold as "as is" and no longer viable to non-critical updates. Because in 99% of all cases you always have a "service contract" with either the seller or the party who provides the service (eg. Steam), therefore the "sold as is" can't fly.

So keep those E-Mails backed up!
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Starmaker: Wut? Barring a civil war, I intend to live to at least 70. 2012 is the 40th anniversary of home video gaming (Magnavox Odyssey). All home video gaming happened in the last 40 years. I won't even put money on Valve surviving in any recognizable form.
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StingingVelvet: Well I plan to have kids relatively soon and probably lose internet in modern gaming eventually, like I have modern movies and television. We all tend to move on and I would bet Steam will outlast my internet by quite a ways.

You never know though, sure.
Well, if you lose your internet that will be bad for your steam account indeed. I hope you do back up your GOG games locally, though. ;)
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mondo84: I Steam, you Steam, we all Steam for arguing about Steam.
I stealing this :P
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TTBZ: People here seem to forget that Valve provides us enjoyment of great games. And yes, Valve is making profit. That's how it works, no reason to be paranoid about it.
Valve hasn't made any games in a while, and I have little faith that Half Life 3 will even be that good. Valve make all their money through Steam now so they don't need to make games and it shows.
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Red_Avatar: I think Valve is a wolf in sheep's clothing. Like Apple, they are amazing at PR and use the community as their "shield". Basically they make their customers do their PR for them while screwing them over behind their back. EA, on the other hand, is more transparent and in a way I appreciate that more than a company that acts as if they're the salvation of PC gaming and at the same time, hope to kill off the second hand market and snag away our rights to owning a game. Ubisoft still is worse than EA and Valve combined though.

But in the case of Valve, I can't admire them, frankly. They're doing a lot of viral and PR campaigns but that doesn't make them a good company. A good company wouldn't have used subscriptions as base of their digital service, would it?
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StingingVelvet: I agree that Valve are as greedy as any company, and most of their actions are meant to gain loyalty for profit reasons. In the end though if all companies are out for profit above all (and they are) what is your reaction to that? To not buy anything ever? That means you live in a small village and grow your own food, and use... *shudder*... Linux.

The real response should be to keep your eyes open, buy games you want to support and remember DRM is pretty irrelevant and Steam will likely outlast your desire or ability to play video games.
I think it comes down to ethics. Yes all companies want money, but how they go about it is very important. Customer service must come first.
Post edited September 09, 2012 by Magmarock
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Magmarock: Valve hasn't made any games in a while, and I have little faith that Half Life 3 will even be that good. Valve make all their money through Steam now so they don't need to make games and it shows.
Is this supposed to "show" that you really don't know what you're talking about when it comes to Valve?
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Magmarock: Valve hasn't made any games in a while, and I have little faith that Half Life 3 will even be that good. Valve make all their money through Steam now so they don't need to make games and it shows.
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Pheace: Is this supposed to "show" that you really don't know what you're talking about when it comes to Valve?
He's right though, Valve proper have not made a game since Episode 2. Though it certainly sounds like they contribute heavily to the games their purchased add-on teams make.
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StingingVelvet: Though it certainly sounds like they contribute heavily to the games their purchased add-on teams make.
Isn't it semantics at that point though? It's still Valve, just Valve+ then. As long as that's better than all in-house that's not necessarily a bad thing. And Portal 2, CS:GO (no idea on that one), DOTA2 is still development at least.
Valve's next game is obviously going to be Day of Defeat 2. It's their only IP that doesn't have a part 2 yet. Valve is clearly superstitious or has triskaphobia and will not make a part '3' to any of its franchises, ever.
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SCPM: Valve's next game is obviously going to be Day of Defeat 2. It's their only IP that doesn't have a part 2 yet. Valve is clearly superstitious or has triskaphobia and will not make a part '3' to any of its franchises, ever.
But fortunately there's no limit to the number of 2's that can be added to any title. No doubt we'll eventually see Half-Life 2 Episode 2 Chapter 2 Part 2 guest-starring Archbishop Desmond Tutu.
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StingingVelvet: Though it certainly sounds like they contribute heavily to the games their purchased add-on teams make.
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Pheace: Isn't it semantics at that point though? It's still Valve, just Valve+ then. As long as that's better than all in-house that's not necessarily a bad thing. And Portal 2, CS:GO (no idea on that one), DOTA2 is still development at least.
I think you would need a greater understanding of their internal politics to really say. The people who comment on them not releasing anything since Orange Box are not really wrong though, they are just acknowledging that Portal 2, Left 4 Dead and others were all developed by purchased teams.
Let's simply say: Valve is a very small developer attached to a big reseller/publisher. Therefore they are probably most competent in the field of reselling/publishing.
One thing i hate about Steam is, How you "HAVE TO" download a patch update before playing the game

shouldn't the game be already updated in the first place.
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Blaze72: One thing i hate about Steam is, How you "HAVE TO" download a patch update before playing the game

shouldn't the game be already updated in the first place.
Way to necro the hell out of this thread.

The answer though is not necessarily. It's up to the devs to provide a new installer, not steam.
Well i was looking for a Steam rant related thread...and i wasn't going to start a new thread


Especially when you have to download a 3 gig update.....bleah.
Post edited July 27, 2013 by Blaze72
undead thread! destroy the brain or remove the head!