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Posted August 08, 2014
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XYCat: what's misleading about it? It's free for a weekend, it's not free forever.
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Crosmando: Free implies freeware, which has it's own meaning. It's misleading wording.
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amok: because you are not renting it for a weekend, but it is free to play for a weekend.
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Crosmando: When you rent a game you do indeed get the entire game for the rental period, so the difference is null, only difference is that this is digital not physical. It is exactly a rental.
what is 'rental'?
Posted August 08, 2014
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realkman666: The rental is free.
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Crosmando: "Free Weekend Rental" then. Or at least make clear that you will need to pay for the game after that time expires. The same way "Free to Play" is misleading if the game is not "complete" and actually does have paid content in it.

I know Americans like stretching the meaning of words, especially "freedom", but come on.
It's free for a week, assuming it's not free after that?
Posted August 08, 2014
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Crosmando: Free implies freeware, which has it's own meaning. It's misleading wording.

When you rent a game you do indeed get the entire game for the rental period, so the difference is null, only difference is that this is digital not physical. It is exactly a rental.
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amok: what is 'rental'?
"a payment made periodically by a tenant to a landlord in return for the use of land, a building, an apartment, an office, or other property."
In this case the tenant is the consumer/gamer and the landlord EA/Origin, and the property the game.

"Free" implies it will be your property, which it will not be, you will cease to have it after the allotted time, that's renting. Again when GOG actually gives away games for a certain period, they're yours forever, so they have the right to say "free" games.
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Crosmando: "Free Weekend Rental" then. Or at least make clear that you will need to pay for the game after that time expires. The same way "Free to Play" is misleading if the game is not "complete" and actually does have paid content in it.

I know Americans like stretching the meaning of words, especially "freedom", but come on.
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realkman666: It's free for a week, assuming it's not free after that?
"It's free for a week" could easily be interpreted as "If you get it on your account this week, it's yours forever".

It's basically weaslewording.
Post edited August 08, 2014 by Crosmando
Posted August 08, 2014
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amok: what is 'rental'?
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Crosmando: "a payment made periodically by a tenant to a landlord in return for the use of land, a building, an apartment, an office, or other property."
In this case the tenant is the consumer/gamer and the landlord EA/Origin.

"Free" implies it will be your property, which it will not be, you will cease to have it after the allotted time, that's renting. Again when GOG actually gives away games for a certain period, they're yours forever, so they have the right to say "free" games.
And what is the payment?


and "free to play for one weekend" implies that it will be.... free to play for one weekend....
Post edited August 08, 2014 by amok
Posted August 08, 2014
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Crosmando: "a payment made periodically by a tenant to a landlord in return for the use of land, a building, an apartment, an office, or other property."
In this case the tenant is the consumer/gamer and the landlord EA/Origin.

"Free" implies it will be your property, which it will not be, you will cease to have it after the allotted time, that's renting. Again when GOG actually gives away games for a certain period, they're yours forever, so they have the right to say "free" games.
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amok: And what is the payment?
It is waived in this instance, thus "Free Rental". I'm saying that no property has changed hands.

and "free to play for one weekend" implies that it will be.... free to play for one weekend....
Nope, they know full well that the term "Free" has a specific meaning to most people, which is why they use it instead of "Rental" or "Try Before You Buy" or something that actually informs the customer that the game isn't actually "free". Again, it's a weasle word, they make a deliberately short vague statement ("Free weekend") and then if challenged on it can just say it's not what they meant and it means something else.

Same reason that a court in the UK recently tried to force "Free To Play" games to remove the labeling of "free".
Post edited August 08, 2014 by Crosmando
Posted August 08, 2014
*reads end of thread, facepalms, shakes head, and trundles back out*
Posted August 08, 2014
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amok: And what is the payment?
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Crosmando: It is waived in this instance, thus "Free Rental". I'm saying that no property has changed hands.
so it is free, then?
Posted August 08, 2014
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Crosmando: It is waived in this instance, thus "Free Rental". I'm saying that no property has changed hands.
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amok: so it is free, then?
The fact that they waive the payment doesn't not make it a rental. What if a landlord said "If you move into this house, you can have the first week free", do you think that means the tenant now owns the house?

Why are you defending false advertising? The only reason they're calling it "Free" is to get people to sign up to their service.
Post edited August 08, 2014 by Crosmando
Posted August 08, 2014
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amok: so it is free, then?
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Crosmando: The fact that they waive the payment doesn't not make it a rental. What if a landlord said "If you move into this house, you can have the first week free", do you think that means the tenant now owns the house?

Why are you defending false advertising? The only reason they're calling it "Free" is to get people to sign up to their service.
No, it means that I live there one week for free, and then need to pay if I want to continue living there (I managed to say that, and it mad sense, without using the word "rent").

you do realise that "free rental" is an oxymoron?
Posted August 08, 2014
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Crosmando: The fact that they waive the payment doesn't not make it a rental. What if a landlord said "If you move into this house, you can have the first week free", do you think that means the tenant now owns the house?

Why are you defending false advertising? The only reason they're calling it "Free" is to get people to sign up to their service.
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amok: No, it means that I live there one week for free, and then need to pay if I want to continue living there (I managed to say that, and it mad sense, without using the word "rent").
And if you get this game from Origin, you get to play it for one week, free, and then need to pay for it if you want to continue playing it (I managed to say that, and it mad sense, without using the word "rent").

My complaint is that the wording is misleading, and that it's deliberately vague, nothing else. The same reason "Free To Play" is used.

you do realise that "free rental" is an oxymoron?
If the payment of the first week is waived as part of a commercial project to get someone to continue renting (and paying) in subsequent weeks, then it is indeed a "Free Rental of 7 Days, Then Pay for it If You Liked It".

Again it's just throwing the word "Free" up in the air to see if they can get people signed-up on Origin, nothing more.

EDIT: I'm done with this discussion.
Post edited August 08, 2014 by Crosmando
Posted August 08, 2014
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Crosmando: And if you get this game from Origin, you get to play it for one week, free, and then need to pay for it if you want to continue playing it (I managed to say that, and it mad sense, without using the word "rent").
EXACTLY! well done, we got there in the end. I am proud of you.

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Crosmando: If the payment of the first week is waived as part of a commercial project to get someone to continue renting (and paying) in subsequent weeks, then it is indeed a "Free Rental of 7 Days, Then Pay for it If You Liked It"
We have already got an agreement on what this really is, but we may as well clear up this misconception also. If you rent something and get a week free, you still go in with an agreement to rent for x time period and agree to pay x amount of monies for that period. Usually, you also still need to pay an upfront fee (or deposit), so what this implies is that you rent it, but not pay full price, so it is a discount. Neither of this happens here, and it is therefore not a rental.

If you really need to see it some other way, then consider it a free time limited trial, but definitely not a rental

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Crosmando: Again it's just throwing the word "Free" up in the air to see if they can get people signed-up on Origin, nothing more.
off course it it, but it is not wrong use of the word. You may not like it, but it is used correctly, and they can do so if they want, because they offer it for free for you to use for one week, and there are no other agreements made.

edit - syntax...
Post edited August 08, 2014 by amok
Posted August 08, 2014
I hope this is some kind of rhetoric angle I don't understand. I don't need to always feel smart, but where is the damn misleading part here?
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Posted August 08, 2014
Nope. Won't install Origin.
Posted August 08, 2014
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djdarko: It's like 28gb or so.
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Niggles: ill pass.. lol
Okay I just HAVE to ask this! Is Western Sahara a completely BS location or is it a legit location where you actually live? Just curious to know.
Posted August 08, 2014
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Niggles: ill pass.. lol
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jepsen1977: Okay I just HAVE to ask this! Is Western Sahara a completely BS location or is it a legit location where you actually live? Just curious to know.
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