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"A Polish company, during a time of democracy, is bowing to a the Communist Party of another nation."

The above is the TL/DR for those who only seek headlines. For others, here is the big wall of text:
CDPR is a Polish company. The country of Poland has a rich and well documented history when it comes to communism and what it has done to the nation. The countless dead, poverty and the loss of cultural identity are all real things that happened there. For those who know history, know that this is the natural outcome of communism.

Yes, I have products of China in my home, there is no avoiding it. But if I can help it, I do anything in my power to put it to a absolute minimum. I can help myself when it comes to gaming, mainly retro gaming, to avoid giving money to China or even power. Now we are at the point that a Polish company, disregarding their own history, is actively seeking positive feedback from communist China. Being a guy that studies history, my stomach turned in a bad way.

So yeah, leaving GoG as I cannot do business with communists or communist sympathizers.

Let's end with a positive though, I'm glad I could download my games to put them on my own backup server. This part of GOG has always been awesome and during a break-up, makes it that much easier to leave.

Have a great day all.
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Chielus86: Yes, I have products of China in my home, there is no avoiding it. But if I can help it, I do anything in my power to put it to a absolute minimum. I can help myself when it comes to gaming, mainly retro gaming, to avoid giving money to China or even power. Now we are at the point that a Polish company, disregarding their own history, is actively seeking positive feedback from communist China. Being a guy that studies history, my stomach turned in a bad way.
Same here. But I have noticed I have more Taiwanese and Korean hardware than mainland Chinese ones.

Besides, Xi Jing Poh has been talking about closing the Chinese economy again (because their PR to the West is great but, as many international observers have pointed out, they are mostly broke (how lucky of them Orange Man seems to be leaving office...). This means more companies have more incentives to do a Samsung and transfer all factories away from mainland China.
I think leaving GOG (or deleting an account) over this is a bit too much, but completely understandable.
If this is your line in the sand, then it is.

What else can you really do that makes GOG aware of your displeasure?

Being vocal about points of contention is good, but continue buying stuff makes the voice sound hollow.
Being vocal, and trimming down you wishlist and vowing to buy less games hurts their coffers more, while still supporting DRM-free games. Because sadly, it's about the only major player with regards to that.
Being vocal and deleting you account/leaving, will probably make you buy games on either steam or epic.
Which would betray both your anti-china stance, and the anti-DRM stance. I.E being a hypocrite.
There's a 4th option of course, but it's more of a stalemate.

The situation is quite a predicament, and there's no obvious choice for anyone.
The main thing to do at least, is to be vocal which gives them bad PR and hurts their bottom-line.
Or be vocal and buy less games, which also hurts their bottom-line.
While still supporting DRM-free games.

(Now, if there was another major platform that offered DRM-free games with offline installers....that would definitely be the obvious choice.)
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Chielus86: So yeah, leaving GoG as I cannot do business with communists or communist sympathizers.
Are you trying to tell me that you will love China when it will turn from communism to democracy?
I do not believe you. Because Russia turned from communism to democracy and it is still the most, №1 hated country on the West and NATO-block countries.

Because It is all about competition and you will prefer your competitor to be dead, than to compete with him in a fair manner.
Thus you use boycotting, protectionism, propaganda, blah-blah-blah, to protect yourself and get rid of competition.
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Vendor-Lazarus: Which would betray both your anti-china stance, and the anti-DRM stance. I.E being a hypocrite.
This comment hurts, mainly because it is true, as happens with most true words. Yes, I do have a steam account and no, I haven't purchased anything last few years. If Steam had the (again: great policy) of downloading your games DRM free as GoG does, I would have left it years ago.
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Vendor-Lazarus: If this is your line in the sand, then it is
It is. I do not hold GoG to a standard I would not use on another entity, and previous rights don't make up for current wrongs. I try to be consistent, again I know I could/should delete steam all together to avoid being a hypocrite at this moment, as much as I can and/or is feasible.

When Microsoft Windows Vista came, so did their "everything you own is now ours" policy. That day I moved to Linux and never returned to Windows or any Microsoft code. I gave away my iPhone when the scandals of their factories came to light, now using a Nokia (with Linux as OS). I don't buy my food from large supermarkets as they tend to screw over farmers.

It's not a easy lifestyle, it's not even something I recommend to others. But I need to be able to look in the mirror when I brush my teeth and not feel disgusted that I let my easy lifestyle make things worse for another. And right now, CDPR is taking a piss on their own countries history/tombstones and ever so slightly increasing the power of a oppressive regime. As a consumer I have a choice: be part of that or not. I choose not.

As a final note: Where do I go now to play games? Well, nowhere I guess. That is why I don't advice anybody to follow my path unless they morally align. It sucks, it really does.
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Chielus86: So yeah, leaving GoG as I cannot do business with communists or communist sympathizers.
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vsr: Are you trying to tell me that you will love China when it will turn from communism to democracy?
I do not believe you. Because Russia turned from communism to democracy and it is still the most, №1 hated country on the West and NATO-block countries.

Because It is all about competition and you will prefer your competitor to be dead, than to compete with him in a fair manner.
Thus you use boycotting, protectionism, propaganda, blah-blah-blah, to protect yourself and get rid of competition.
I like Russia post-communism. I have always liked Russians as a people, just as I like the Chinese as a people.

I dislike the current regime and anybody willing to kiss their feet. And what my government thinks of Russia or China is not in any way important to me or a guideline to my personal stances.
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Chielus86: I like Russia post-communism. I have always liked Russians as a people, just as I like the Chinese as a people.

I dislike the current regime and anybody willing to kiss their feet. And what my government thinks of Russia or China is not in any way important to me or a guideline to my personal stances.
It is the same as to say: "I love Russians, but i don't like how they look, how they talk, how they work, how they think, how they behave, how they elect theirs president, basically i don't like everything they do..., but overall i love Russians". :D

If you love someone, you should respect them and theirs choices. If they love Communism - OK, it's theirs choice and it's theirs life.
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If you leave for this, you better stop living as every business in the world bow to China not only GOG.
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Mugiwarah: If you leave for this, you better stop living as every business in the world bow to China not only GOG.
I know that I cannot avoid it all together. Heck, now with these facemask regulations I am depended on their industry to be able to leave the house. So it's not like I live in some rainbow-fluffy-duffy-world where it's so easy to not support such a regime with money.

That said: This is something I can actually do. Therefor it's something that I will do.
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Mugiwarah: If you leave for this, you better stop living as every business in the world bow to China not only GOG.
This is not true. There is a valuable effort to revert this trend and China is feeling it (it still has great PR though. I mean, international observers have been screaming scam for years now and nobody listens).

Heck, even Samsung decided to move their factories away from mainland China.

About masks, well, I am fortunate enough to be able to buy local (but that's a thing here in Brazil).
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Chielus86: I like Russia post-communism. I have always liked Russians as a people, just as I like the Chinese as a people.

I dislike the current regime and anybody willing to kiss their feet. And what my government thinks of Russia or China is not in any way important to me or a guideline to my personal stances.
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vsr: It is the same as to say: "I love Russians, but i don't like how they look, how they talk, how they work, how they think, how they behave, how they elect theirs president, basically i don't like everything they do..., but overall i love Russians". :D

If you love someone, you should respect them and theirs choices. If they love Communism - OK, it's theirs choice and it's theirs life.
what a complete bs
you don't have to accept everything they do , like drinking and bend in for dictators
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RafaelRamus: Heck, even Samsung decided to move their factories away from mainland China.
Possible trade barriers and rising costs in wages. Not much to do with the morality of dealing with their central government, just business. In fact, they'd move to Taiwan if they'd get a cent more in profits. And China would import their products, no problem (heavily modified, of course).
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Mugiwarah: If you leave for this, you better stop living as every business in the world bow to China not only GOG.
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RafaelRamus: This is not true. There is a valuable effort to revert this trend and China is feeling it (it still has great PR though. I mean, international observers have been screaming scam for years now and nobody listens).

Heck, even Samsung decided to move their factories away from mainland China.

About masks, well, I am fortunate enough to be able to buy local (but that's a thing here in Brazil).
The problem is it's too late to completly remove China, you can reduce it a little, but not completely remove the influence on the market. And let's be realistic for a second no store would cut hundreds of Millions of potencial custumers for 1 game. I personaly would prefer that they put the game in here even if i don't care about this game but i don't like censorship but they are a business and it's the most logical move to do for them.
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Mugiwarah: The problem is it's too late to completly remove China, you can reduce it a little, but not completely remove the influence on the market. And let's be realistic for a second no store would cut hundreds of Millions of potencial custumers for 1 game. I personaly would prefer that they put the game in here even if i don't care about this game but i don't like censorship but they are a business and it's the most logical move to do for them.
I would have had more respect if they simply made a 2nd company dedicated to China. Much how Blizzard did it.

It's still rotten, it's still pandering to a inhumane regime... But at least you are not giving them more influence in your native country.
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vsr: It is the same as to say: "I love Russians, but i don't like how they look, how they talk, how they work, how they think, how they behave, how they elect theirs president, basically i don't like everything they do..., but overall i love Russians". :D

If you love someone, you should respect them and theirs choices. If they love Communism - OK, it's theirs choice and it's theirs life.
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Orkhepaj: what a complete bs
you don't have to accept everything they do , like drinking and bend in for dictators
But that is exactly what USA is doing to Russia. And you're OK with that.
When China is doing that stuff to you, you became mad. Why?
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Mugiwarah: The problem is it's too late to completly remove China, you can reduce it a little, but not completely remove the influence on the market. And let's be realistic for a second no store would cut hundreds of Millions of potencial custumers for 1 game. I personaly would prefer that they put the game in here even if i don't care about this game but i don't like censorship but they are a business and it's the most logical move to do for them.
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Chielus86: I would have had more respect if they simply made a 2nd company dedicated to China. Much how Blizzard did it.

It's still rotten, it's still pandering to a inhumane regime... But at least you are not giving them more influence in your native country.
Blizzard have far more funds than GOG, so they can afford it, i don't know about GOG as they are separate from cd prokekt and it does not seems very well compare to other stores.