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Chielus86: "A Polish company, during a time of democracy, is bowing to a the Communist Party of another nation."

The above is the TL/DR for those who only seek headlines. For others, here is the big wall of text:
CDPR is a Polish company. The country of Poland has a rich and well documented history when it comes to communism and what it has done to the nation. The countless dead, poverty and the loss of cultural identity are all real things that happened there. For those who know history, know that this is the natural outcome of communism.

Yes, I have products of China in my home, there is no avoiding it. But if I can help it, I do anything in my power to put it to a absolute minimum. I can help myself when it comes to gaming, mainly retro gaming, to avoid giving money to China or even power. Now we are at the point that a Polish company, disregarding their own history, is actively seeking positive feedback from communist China. Being a guy that studies history, my stomach turned in a bad way.

So yeah, leaving GoG as I cannot do business with communists or communist sympathizers.

Let's end with a positive though, I'm glad I could download my games to put them on my own backup server. This part of GOG has always been awesome and during a break-up, makes it that much easier to leave.

Have a great day all.
Nice finally someone who does something for what he believes in, much respect to you.
All these downvoters are just jealous of you. They are jealous they have no self-respect and will to do what you do. They are way too afraid to do anything, instead they attack those like you.

Don't mind their lame attacks about you using some china products, we all know that's nearly impossible to do.
It is like someone starts cleaning around its house and these grumps whining why not cleaning the whole city.
Stupid isn't it asking for you do to more while they are doing nothing just whining about others doing something.
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RafaelRamus: This is not true. There is a valuable effort to revert this trend and China is feeling it (it still has great PR though. I mean, international observers have been screaming scam for years now and nobody listens).

Heck, even Samsung decided to move their factories away from mainland China.

About masks, well, I am fortunate enough to be able to buy local (but that's a thing here in Brazil).
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Mugiwarah: The problem is it's too late to completly remove China, you can reduce it a little, but not completely remove the influence on the market. And let's be realistic for a second no store would cut hundreds of Millions of potencial custumers for 1 game. I personaly would prefer that they put the game in here even if i don't care about this game but i don't like censorship but they are a business and it's the most logical move to do for them.
I don't think it is the most logical move to them. They are counting on Westeners to do all the talking and criticizing and then not acting on it, because if we do, there is no comparing how much money the Chinese have vs everyone else (everyone else has way more money and it is a bigger market).

Don't forget that if China is a billion we are many times that. Heck, Europe and North America alone are a billion!

But to me the most infuriating part - and the one I am mad enough about to actually stop supporting the site - is the way they communicated the thing. "Many gamers"? What am I, a joke to them? Tell us the truth! Come on, GOG, Say what you have to say at least, damn it!
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Orkhepaj: what a complete bs
you don't have to accept everything they do , like drinking and bend in for dictators
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vsr: But that is exactly what USA is doing to Russia. And you're OK with that.
When China is doing that stuff to you, you became mad. Why?
i didnt know im murican , oh cool i go and vote biden it is never too late as it seems

so what usa did to your country? oh wait did they send arms to ukrain to help them defend themselves?
what are russians doing there anyway? oh i know you russians think you can just puppet every country to do your wishes ,disgusting behaviour
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vsr: But that is exactly what USA is doing to Russia. And you're OK with that.
When China is doing that stuff to you, you became mad. Why?
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Orkhepaj: i didnt know im murican , oh cool i go and vote biden it is never too late as it seems

so what usa did to your country? oh wait did they send arms to ukrain to help them defend themselves?
what are russians doing there anyway? oh i know you russians think you can just puppet every country to do your wishes ,disgusting behaviour
You are both talking about politicians and reflecting it on citizens.

It makes absolutely no sense.
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vsr: But that is exactly what USA is doing to Russia. And you're OK with that.
When China is doing that stuff to you, you became mad. Why?
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Orkhepaj: i didnt know im murican , oh cool i go and vote biden it is never too late as it seems

so what usa did to your country? oh wait did they send arms to ukrain to help them defend themselves?
what are russians doing there anyway? oh i know you russians think you can just puppet every country to do your wishes ,disgusting behaviour
Everyone's behaviour is disgusting.
It just depends on your point of view.
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Chielus86: "A Polish company, during a time of democracy, is bowing to a the Communist Party of another nation."

The above is the TL/DR for those who only seek headlines. For others, here is the big wall of text:
CDPR is a Polish company. The country of Poland has a rich and well documented history when it comes to communism and what it has done to the nation. The countless dead, poverty and the loss of cultural identity are all real things that happened there. For those who know history, know that this is the natural outcome of communism.

Yes, I have products of China in my home, there is no avoiding it. But if I can help it, I do anything in my power to put it to a absolute minimum. I can help myself when it comes to gaming, mainly retro gaming, to avoid giving money to China or even power. Now we are at the point that a Polish company, disregarding their own history, is actively seeking positive feedback from communist China. Being a guy that studies history, my stomach turned in a bad way.

So yeah, leaving GoG as I cannot do business with communists or communist sympathizers.

Let's end with a positive though, I'm glad I could download my games to put them on my own backup server. This part of GOG has always been awesome and during a break-up, makes it that much easier to leave.

Have a great day all.
Cool, just note that you can't buy that videogame you're raging about anywhere because it's not GOG's doing :D
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Mugiwarah: The problem is it's too late to completly remove China, you can reduce it a little, but not completely remove the influence on the market. And let's be realistic for a second no store would cut hundreds of Millions of potencial custumers for 1 game. I personaly would prefer that they put the game in here even if i don't care about this game but i don't like censorship but they are a business and it's the most logical move to do for them.
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RafaelRamus: I don't think it is the most logical move to them. They are counting on Westeners to do all the talking and criticizing and then not acting on it, because if we do, there is no comparing how much money the Chinese have vs everyone else (everyone else has way more money and it is a bigger market).

Don't forget that if China is a billion we are many times that. Heck, Europe and North America alone are a billion!

But to me the most infuriating part - and the one I am mad enough about to actually stop supporting the site - is the way they communicated the thing. "Many gamers"? What am I, a joke to them? Tell us the truth! Come on, GOG, Say what you have to say at least, damn it!
The problem of boycoting GOG is the risk to make the only drm free store shutting down as it's not as popular as steam, we should find another way to say that we disagree with them, and if they don't listen you can do wathever you want without condamning them for a bad move.
Post edited December 21, 2020 by Mugiwarah
The amount of imbecility in this forum is staggering.
A company didn't bow to a foreign "communist" government. First of all, because China isn't communist -they might they so in their propaganda, but it's just a totalitarian capitalism-of-state, where local corporation act with full government support.
They bent to "capital". Chinese money is money, they calculated that the losses from that market would far surpass the gains from Devotion's sales and they cut it out, like every single other corporation in the world would have.
It's still bad, but it's systemic - the political statement isn't "we approve tyranny", but "we'll do anything if it makes us richer".

CDProjekt actions are disgusting, and I have been saying this before it was cool; remeber all the shit you guys threw at me back when Cyberpunk wasn't even out? When I was talking about workers exploitment, broken promises and whatnot? Well, you can eat all that shit back now, you hypocrites.
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RafaelRamus: I don't think it is the most logical move to them. They are counting on Westeners to do all the talking and criticizing and then not acting on it, because if we do, there is no comparing how much money the Chinese have vs everyone else (everyone else has way more money and it is a bigger market).

Don't forget that if China is a billion we are many times that. Heck, Europe and North America alone are a billion!

But to me the most infuriating part - and the one I am mad enough about to actually stop supporting the site - is the way they communicated the thing. "Many gamers"? What am I, a joke to them? Tell us the truth! Come on, GOG, Say what you have to say at least, damn it!
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Mugiwarah: The problem of boycoting GOG is the risk to make the only drm free store shutting down as it's not as popular as steam, we should find another way to say that we disagree with them, and if they don't listen you can do wathever you ever you want without condamning them for a bad move.
there is no another way
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Enebias: The amount of imbecility in this forum is staggering.
A company didn't bow to a foreign "communist" government. First of all, because China isn't communist -they might they so in their propaganda, but it's just a totalitarian capitalism-of-state, where local corporation act with full government support.
They bent to "capital". Chinese money is money, they calculated that the losses from that market would far surpass the gains from Devotion's sales and they cut it out, like every single other corporation in the world would have.
It's still bad, but it's systemic - the political statement isn't "we approve tyranny", but "we'll do anything if it makes us richer".

CDProjekt actions are disgusting, and I have been saying this before it was cool; remeber all the shit you guys threw at me back when Cyberpunk wasn't even out? When I was talking about workers exploitment, broken promises and whatnot? Well, you can eat all that shit back now, you hypocrites.
China isn't communist -they might they so in their propaganda, but it's just a totalitarian capitalism-of-state, where local corporation act with full government support.
that is communism
the government only lets these sort of private companies because they know these are way more economically productive than full governmental control , still they can just go in any day and take over
So they did it for money ,this doesn't make it any more acceptable.

yup our countries should enforce 8hr/day work
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Enebias: The amount of imbecility in this forum is staggering.
A company didn't bow to a foreign "communist" government. First of all, because China isn't communist -they might they so in their propaganda, but it's just a totalitarian capitalism-of-state, where local corporation act with full government support.
They bent to "capital". Chinese money is money, they calculated that the losses from that market would far surpass the gains from Devotion's sales and they cut it out, like every single other corporation in the world would have.
It's still bad, but it's systemic - the political statement isn't "we approve tyranny", but "we'll do anything if it makes us richer".

CDProjekt actions are disgusting, and I have been saying this before it was cool; remeber all the shit you guys threw at me back when Cyberpunk wasn't even out? When I was talking about workers exploitment, broken promises and whatnot? Well, you can eat all that shit back now, you hypocrites.
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Orkhepaj: China isn't communist -they might they so in their propaganda, but it's just a totalitarian capitalism-of-state, where local corporation act with full government support.
that is communism
No, it isn't.
Communism is when the means of production are common property of the same workers that use them.
Indisputable fact; if you heard anything else, you heard false information, and in general mass media is revoltingly ignorant on the matter -or maliciously intetioned to bend facts for their own agenda.
Communism has never been even attempted in a grand scale, it's more of an utopia, a fantasy rather than anything concrete. Lenin first completely corrupted the ideal.
Corporations aren't even thinkable in a true communist philosophy, they're fictitious entities made out of capital, ffs. There's nothing more anti-communist than that.

In China workers get nothing, only the oligarchs holding the rains have real authority.
Post edited December 21, 2020 by Enebias
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Orkhepaj: China isn't communist -they might they so in their propaganda, but it's just a totalitarian capitalism-of-state, where local corporation act with full government support.
that is communism
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Enebias: No, it isn't.
Communism is when the means of production are common property of the same workers that use them.
Indisputable fact; if you heard anything else, you heard false information, and in general mass media is revoltingly ignorant on the matter -or maliciously intetioned to bend facts for their own agenda.
Communism has never been even attempted in a grand scale, it's more an utopia, a fantasy rather than anything concrete. Lenin first completely corrupted the ideal.
Corporations aren't even thinkable in a true communist philosophy, they're fictitious entities made out of capital, ffs. There's nothing more anti-communist than that.

In China workers get nothing, only the oligarchs holding the rains have really authority.
Oh look, a hipster-socialist. Who after 250+ million dead still claims "that is not real communism, no, real communism is filled with unicorns and rainbows"

And yes, they did bow to a communist regime. And yes, that is horrible. And yes, Karl Marx was a complete and utter imbecile.
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Orkhepaj: China isn't communist -they might they so in their propaganda, but it's just a totalitarian capitalism-of-state, where local corporation act with full government support.
that is communism
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Enebias: No, it isn't.
Communism is when the means of production are common property of the same workers that use them.
Indisputable fact; if you heard anything else, you heard false information, and in general mass media is revoltingly ignorant on the matter -or maliciously intetioned to bend facts for their own agenda.
Communism has never been even attempted in a grand scale, it's more an utopia, a fantasy rather than anything concrete. Lenin first completely corrupted the ideal.
Corporations aren't even thinkable in a true communist philosophy, they're fictitious entities made out of capital, ffs. There's nothing more anti-communist than that.

In China workers get nothing, only the oligarchs holding the rains have really authority.
but it is common property the party can go in and take it away at will , how is that not common property?

Rofl communism was tried many times already and failed everywhere leaving 15-20% of the population in mass graves
It is still communism if it can't reach fairylands.
Like if you have a very bad blueprint for a plane and promise it will be the fastest bestest plane ever ,but in practice it cant even take off and just smashes into the ground every time it is tested. And then you claim hmm those tests were not the real-plance cause they failed :D
It is not lenin who corrupted the idea ,but that idea is bs to begin with.
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Orkhepaj: China isn't communist -they might they so in their propaganda, but it's just a totalitarian capitalism-of-state, where local corporation act with full government support.
that is communism
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Enebias: No, it isn't.
Communism is when the means of production are common property of the same workers that use them.
Indisputable fact; if you heard anything else, you heard false information, and in general mass media is revoltingly ignorant on the matter -or maliciously intetioned to bend facts for their own agenda.
Communism has never been even attempted in a grand scale, it's more of an utopia, a fantasy rather than anything concrete. Lenin first completely corrupted the ideal.
Corporations aren't even thinkable in a true communist philosophy, they're fictitious entities made out of capital, ffs. There's nothing more anti-communist than that.

In China workers get nothing, only the oligarchs holding the rains have real authority.
"Communism has never been tried before!"
Is the endless cry when communism inevitable fails and a small elite/dictator has all the power.

When "The people"/ "The Nation"/Government owns and operates the corporations, it describes both communism and fascism. Both creeds of an authoritarian ideology.
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Vendor-Lazarus: Which would betray both your anti-china stance, and the anti-DRM stance. I.E being a hypocrite.
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Chielus86: This comment hurts, mainly because it is true, as happens with most true words. Yes, I do have a steam account and no, I haven't purchased anything last few years. If Steam had the (again: great policy) of downloading your games DRM free as GoG does, I would have left it years ago.
Presumably your last sentence was about leaving GOG rather than leaving Steam.

You may wish to review this thread for a discussion of other DRM-free suppliers (it includes "DRM-Lite" also) though some of these may present issues of their own.

I'd agree that GOG's behaviour here has been questionable to say the least - if their decision to not list Devotion was based on gamer feedback, then why in hell are Beamdog's products still listed here? However it is a decision that GOG can review and change, while deleting your account (as opposed to just not making any further purchases which would have the same impact) is irrevocable - anyone considering this should be sure that they have multiple backup copies of their offline installers.