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Leucius: Disgaea is available on other platforms, as is Nier Automata. As far as Nintendo, it's true that they sell their games in their virtual shop and have since the Wii, but they also included backwards compatibility with the Wii (Not sure about Wii U as I never owned one).

I wasn't trying to strictly bash Sony, just stating for me, it's better that I went to a Switch. The PS4 is mid range computer. Other than some exclusives, there's no reason for me to own one.
What other platforms have the mainline Disgaea series? Also, Nier Automata is Steam. I prefer console over Steam. The game is optimized for that system, physical copy and I still get platform exclusives like I mentioned earlier continuing with Gran Turismo series, Grand Kingdom, mainline DragonQuest series (DQ XI looks awesome).

I know you weren't bashing the PS platform. I never assumed you were. I don't care what systems people own. they can own them all and full arcades if that makes them happy, that is cool with me. I know you were stating why you personally gave up the PS4.

The Wii U does play Wii games. I have the nunchuck controller for my Wii U (I never owned a Wii), but then added Wii games like Xenoblade Chronicles and the Super Mairo Galaxy games to my collection among some others.

Edit: I see Disgaea 5 came to the Nintendo Switch in May - that is cool and a great deal for SRPG fans.
Post edited September 18, 2017 by MajicMan
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phutchins: ...
Is the DRM free really that useful that many are okay with delay patches (and no show of concern by GOG)?
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The only difference is patches on GOG, and it seems for all GOG games, seem delayed for a very long period.
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I totally understand this and should maybe underline that delaying patches reduces the value of anything, regardless whether it is with or without DRM. If GOG hopes to compete with Steam it needs to get better (whoever really is responsible here, could be the devs/publishers as well). I have sympathies for people who consider DRM free only an option if the service is good enough.

That being said, how do you know that it seems to be the case for all GOG games? This seems to be a generalization not based on evidence.
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Leucius: Disgaea is available on other platforms, as is Nier Automata. As far as Nintendo, it's true that they sell their games in their virtual shop and have since the Wii, but they also included backwards compatibility with the Wii (Not sure about Wii U as I never owned one).

I wasn't trying to strictly bash Sony, just stating for me, it's better that I went to a Switch. The PS4 is mid range computer. Other than some exclusives, there's no reason for me to own one.
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MajicMan: What other platforms have the mainline Disgaea series? Also, Nier Automata is Steam. I prefer console over Steam. The game is optimized for that system, physical copy and I still get platform exclusives like I mentioned earlier continuing with Gran Turismo series, Grand Kingdom, mainline DragonQuest series (DQ XI looks awesome).

I know you weren't bashing the PS platform. I never assumed you were. I don't care what systems people own. they can own them all and full arcades if that makes them happy, that is cool with me. I know you were stating why you personally gave up the PS4.

The Wii U does play Wii games. I have the nunchuck controller for my Wii U (I never owned a Wii), but then added Wii games like Xenoblade Chronicles and the Super Mairo Galaxy games to my collection among some others.

Edit: I see Disgaea 5 came to the Nintendo Switch in May - that is cool and a great deal for SRPG fans.
Glad to see we're having a decent convo here. Sometimes it's just so hard to read inflection. Just a heads up in case you're considering getting a Switch, it's supposed to be getting a Dragon Quest game some time in 2018, or so I heard through the grapevine, on top of Dragon Quest Builders. I know Japan has DQ on the Switch already, too.

Have a great day!
-Leu

EDIT: Also Square Enix is going to be releasing a custom Switch RPG. It's called Octopath Traveler right now, though the title may change. There's currently a demo on the Nintendo eShop. It's not bad, and makes me think SE just needed the right platform to go more traditional.
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mechmouse: It rarely pop's up because most Steam users fit very snugly in the single, white, heterosexual male category. And for every one of those that deviates and settles down, they're replaced buy 2 more come of age single, white, heterosexual males.

Yes dodgy or no internet is the most obvious issue of DRM.

But for what I was saying about the OP not having a problem with Steam, and countering Red Dragon's "attack" against the OP, is that for the vast majority of Steam users they fit into a specific category.

How they use Steam, does not cause them issue (unless their internet goes down). So from their perspective there is no issue with the system. Just like single, white, heterosexual males for most work environments, if your not being affected by an issue it can be easier to dismiss it.

I'm not talking about those militant Steam supporters that believe almost every game on Pirate bay comes from GoG, but most users don't have issues.
Why in the nine hells would you compare steam users to white males? You are, in fact, using racism to bash steam, something you basically attacked in an earlier post by saying white heterosexual males don't experience racism or oppression.

Let's make something clear, white people suffer racism and discrimination, too. Not nearly as often as blacks, but they do. I have personally been the victim of discrimination, and I'm a white, heterosexual male. I almost got killed MORE THAN ONCE because I am white. You cannot tell me my experiences are not valid because I am part of the majority, just like you cannot tell me that it is not racist to discriminate against whites.

Yes, Steam is ok for some, not for all. GOG is a good place to buy games from, when the devs/pubs support them.

Seriously, though. Why in the absolute hell would you compare steam users to white men? Are you purposely trolling, or just trying to appeal to the left? A large portion of this community are moderates, FYI.
Post edited September 18, 2017 by Leucius
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Leucius: Why in the nine hells would you compare steam users to white males? You are, in fact, using racism to bash steam, something you basically attacked in an earlier post by saying white heterosexual males don't experience racism or oppression.

Let's make something clear, white people suffer racism and discrimination, too. Not nearly as often as blacks, but they do. I have personally been the victim of discrimination, and I'm a white, heterosexual male. I almost got killed MORE THAN ONCE because I am white. You cannot tell me my experiences are not valid because I am part of the majority, just like you cannot tell me that it is not racist to discriminate against whites.

Yes, Steam is ok for some, not for all. GOG is a good place to buy games from, when the devs/pubs support them.

Seriously, though. Why in the absolute hell would you compare steam users to white men? Are you purposely trolling, or just trying to appeal to the left? A large portion of this community are moderates, FYI.
I see it this way: the people at the pinnacle of the hierarchy known as globalism are obsessed with the accumulation of wealth. No matter how much they have, it isn't enough. If their wealth isn't constantly increasing it's perceived as losing, which is insanity because they inhabit a closed, finite system that is incapable of satisfying such a demand in perpetuity. At some point in time entropy is going to force them to acknowledge their insanity, and sooner rather than later, because we're already at the point where continued accumulation requires the dismantling of the First World socio-economic standards that have separated us from the rest of the world. And while it's true that the Third World is experiencing some small gains as a result, anyone who thinks that middle classes are going to crop up and flourish is as delusional as the globalistas. The lion's share will end up where it always does, all promises to the contrary notwithstanding.

So, the middle class in Western Europe and the US is in the process of being liquidated, and what better way to help this along than by demonizing those who comprise it's majority, under the guise of "social justice". It's as perfect as perfect gets because a sizeable percentage of the group being targeted ends up believing that it really does have something to do with social justice; and the rest, of course, don't need much convincing -- which is perfectly understandable, all things considered. But as I already mentioned, the benefits of this "reorganization" will not be distributed in accordance with real social justice, so the jubilation of those who think happier times are soon to come will last about as long as it takes for an open bottle of bubbly to go flat.
Post edited September 19, 2017 by richlind33
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richlind33: I see it this way: the people at the pinnacle of the hierarchy known as globalism are obsessed with the accumulation of wealth. No matter how much they have, it isn't enough. If their wealth isn't constantly increasing it's perceived as losing, which is insanity because they inhabit a closed, finite system that is incapable of satisfying such a demand in perpetuity. At some point in time entropy is going to force them to acknowledge their insanity, and sooner rather than later, because we're already at the point where continued accumulation requires the dismantling of the First World socio-economic standards that have separated us from the rest of the world. And while it's true that the Third World is experiencing some small gains as a result, anyone who thinks that middle classes are going to crop up and flourish is as delusional as the globalistas. The lion's share will end up where it always does, all promises to the contrary notwithstanding.

So, the middle class in Western Europe and the US is in the process of being liquidated, and what better way to help this along than by demonizing those who comprise it's majority, under the guise of "social justice". It's as perfect as perfect gets because a sizeable percentage of the group being targeted ends up believing that it really does have something to do with social justice; and the rest, of course, don't need much convincing -- which is perfectly understandable, all things considered. But as I already mentioned, the benefits of this "reorganization" will not be distributed in accordance with real social justice, so the jubilation of those who think happier times are soon to come will last about as long as it takes for an open bottle of bubbly to go flat.
I have no problems with bashing racism, XXX supremacists (insert race into XXX) etc - I believe in equal opportunity and justice for all. I do have a problem with the demonization of all whites or a subset of whites which have nothing to do with the subject matter, just like I have a problem with the demonization of any particular race.

I understand your explanation and I know what's happening in the world - I want to thank you for showing the courage to try to explain it so people understand why it's the "cool" thing to bash whites these days - I was merely trying to explain that bashing whites is a form of racism just as much as people generalizing another race's stereotype.

Thank you, richlind, safe travels to you.
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richlind33: I see it this way: the people at the pinnacle of the hierarchy known as globalism are obsessed with the accumulation of wealth. No matter how much they have, it isn't enough. If their wealth isn't constantly increasing it's perceived as losing, which is insanity because they inhabit a closed, finite system that is incapable of satisfying such a demand in perpetuity. At some point in time entropy is going to force them to acknowledge their insanity, and sooner rather than later, because we're already at the point where continued accumulation requires the dismantling of the First World socio-economic standards that have separated us from the rest of the world. And while it's true that the Third World is experiencing some small gains as a result, anyone who thinks that middle classes are going to crop up and flourish is as delusional as the globalistas. The lion's share will end up where it always does, all promises to the contrary notwithstanding.

So, the middle class in Western Europe and the US is in the process of being liquidated, and what better way to help this along than by demonizing those who comprise it's majority, under the guise of "social justice". It's as perfect as perfect gets because a sizeable percentage of the group being targeted ends up believing that it really does have something to do with social justice; and the rest, of course, don't need much convincing -- which is perfectly understandable, all things considered. But as I already mentioned, the benefits of this "reorganization" will not be distributed in accordance with real social justice, so the jubilation of those who think happier times are soon to come will last about as long as it takes for an open bottle of bubbly to go flat.
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Leucius: I have no problems with bashing racism, XXX supremacists (insert race into XXX) etc - I believe in equal opportunity and justice for all. I do have a problem with the demonization of all whites or a subset of whites which have nothing to do with the subject matter, just like I have a problem with the demonization of any particular race.

I understand your explanation and I know what's happening in the world - I want to thank you for showing the courage to try to explain it so people understand why it's the "cool" thing to bash whites these days - I was merely trying to explain that bashing whites is a form of racism just as much as people generalizing another race's stereotype.

Thank you, richlind, safe travels to you.
You would think that ordinary folk would understand that social justice is best served blind -- but you're a fool if you do. : (
For anyone wanting a proof what can (and most definitely will) go wrong with steam, even when steam itself doesn't go under:
https://steamcommunity.com/groups/Sentinels_of_the_Store#announcements/detail/2736357490467304767

The developer may have been hacked, made a terrible mistake, or just plain act stupid (or greedy), but the result is the same:
You can get your license revoked and lose access to <i>any</i> game at any moment because reasons. And steam will allow it, mainly because they couldn't care less.
Post edited September 20, 2017 by BlackThorny
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BlackThorny: For anyone wanting a proof what can (and most definitely will) go wrong with steam, even when steam itself doesn't go under:
https://steamcommunity.com/groups/Sentinels_of_the_Store#announcements/detail/2736357490467304767

The developer may have been hacked, made a terrible mistake, or just plain act stupid (or greedy), but the result is the same:
You can get your license revoked and lose access to <i>any</i> game at any moment because reasons. And steam will allow it, mainly because they couldn't care less.
This is why I try to buy from GOG unless it's a steam exclusive. Even then, I don't buy steam games full price. Thanks for the links, though it's really crappy news : /