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tinyE: For some reason, every time I see the name of this thread I think of that famous "Leave Brittney alone!" YouTube clip.
That's because it's the 10th anniversary of that video:

http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/leave-britney-alone-chris-crocker-10-years-later-w502714
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mechmouse: Controlled, ranked, and moderated multiplayer system requires a method to uniquely identify individuals.
It needs some sort of identifiers to keep track of users, yes. It does not need to identify individuals.

That either means using a CD key or a license tied to an account.
No. I can buy multiple CDs. I can make multiple accounts. I can purchase multiple copies. I can play with my friends' or family members' PCs (and their accounts).
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timppu: If modern game developers don't want to make their own multiplayer (matchmaking etc.) service for their games but expect the store selling their game provide it (be it Steam, Galaxy, EA Origin or whatever), then those really are the only two options: either the GOG version uses Galaxy for the multiplayer part, or it doesn't have any multiplayer.
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clarry: False dichotomy. GOG *could* provide a DRM-free matchmaking service that isn't tied to Galaxy.
It's not a matter of can or can't, that's not the issue. The problem is that devs still want to lock MP for piracy purposes (most case scenarios). The idea of galaxy is to make things simplier for devs: using an api very similar to steam's means that a GOG version for a game is a less hassle then before, as this means very small changes to make, instead of either stripping out the MP portion from a game (and GOG has a bunch of games with this method applied), other than not force to make a new MP mode just for GOG, and last but not least, increases the changes to get more new games to be sold on GOG long steam.
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phutchins: First I didn't intend to troll for a DRM pro/con discussion.
More power to those who dream of a DRM free world.

I was just trying GOG and see that I am not the customer GOG is intended for.
No real advantage (for me) over DRM systems, and 2 real disadvantages that are important to me.

I would support GOG if they gave reasonable updates, or at least communicate with paid customers in what to expect.
The silence is as bad as the lack of game support.

The publishers have stated
"GOG QA validates each build that goes live on GOG so there is inherent delay unique to GOG."
The wait is on GOG.

But I seem to be right in that its the DRM free aspect that makes GOG a viable business. Not knocking it, I was just wondering.
For me playing the game I bought (and own) is most important. Not having a (significant) patch is not owning the game,
but owning an out of date game.

Issue of "owning" is a interesting point. GOG does not allow trading, selling or giving away your "owned" game.

But what are the delays you folks have seen, I am in the dark, its been over 2 weeks. Is this average? Are other games quicker? Do I probably have a longer wait? Is it possible they won't update?

I really hope you passionate DRM-Free people get all you want, keep up the fight.
To GOG: "I tried, you failed".
The wait isn't necessarily on GOG. If the devs never submits the patch, which in this case we don't know if they have or have not, then the game can't be updated. Unfortunately, some developers don't see the GOG community as a viable market to spend the extra time converting updates for the DRM-free game. Necropolis, a mainly online co-op game on Steam is a single player experience only here, with multi-player promised, then abandoned. Slender is still 3 years behind the Steam release. It's not really common, but nor is it so rare as to be shocking when it happens to a game you love.
Post edited September 16, 2017 by paladin181
The fact that the GOG team puts so much effort into restoring older classics and offers them at fair prices rather than (what I like to call) 'HD Remaster'-prices was good enough for me to jump ship from Steam many years ago.

However, as I got older I started to realize that GOG is the only digital retailer that gives me actual goods in exchange for the money I spend. Others offer you temporary licenses to the digital media you purchase, they don't actually grant you ownership of the product.

Whenever I purchase a game on Steam now, I feel like I am being made a fool of since I spend the same amount of money on this digital version of a game that I would have spent on a physical version of a game (which is an actual, real thing that you can hold in your hands that you officially own. It is a thing that exists in the real world, a represntation of the trade you've made with the retailer), and yet I end up not owning the game... That's just bad business.

I put a lot of thought into what I vote for with my wallet, and I've come to the conclusion that in these 'troubled times' (hurr-durr), Good Old Games is the only storefront that I would vote for (even with its shortcomings and push of the Galaxy client). The future I want is one where all games are available through GOG, or one where all digital retailers start respecting the consumer. Currently, the team and affiliates behind this storefront are the only ones worth trusting in today's gaming landscape *.

There are other reasons I prefer GOG (ease-of-use, beautiful design, curated game selection, nice community that reminds me of the good old days of the internet), but the main reason is the one I mentioned. If that seems stupid or nonsensical to you, then I don't see why you should use GOG, as Steam is probably objectively superior and generally a more well-supported platform.

* They've only recently betrayed my trust a little bit by not selling the original version of Baldur's Gate separately anymore, but instead only offer it through a bundle deal with the Enhanced Edition that nobody likes. Not the biggest problem in the world and maybe it was not even their fault, but it left a bad taste in my mouth.
Post edited September 16, 2017 by Cardskeeper
The most significant difference for me is licensing. I am sure it doesn't really happen with modern AAA titles, but the mere fact that a legal tug-of-war CAN happen with any game is enough for me to want full control of it after I purchase. I bought it, I play it when I have the time (which has been shrinking for me a lot lately), I don't want to waste time and stress wondering why some server isn't responding or my game will no longer start because the service provider had to take it down. No. Freaking. Way. It shouldn't even be possible, and DRM-free guarantees that it isn't possible.

I actually came back to the main forums today to complain about putting GOG Galaxy as an auto-install already selected that you don't see unless you click the custom install checkbox. This was in The Witcher 3 GOTY, which you would figure being their sort of crown jewel they would want the end product as pristine as possible. Damn shame.

But I have to applaud again and appreciate GOG's excellence in a time where copyright is only becoming more relevant and confusing. As long as they keep their primary commitment (and don't annoy me too much more), they have my business.
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DampSquib: Simple, DRM free and all under one roof.

Updates, sure i remember seeing a blue say they are working on the speed of release....
I think, maybe i imagined that, or wishful thinking.
I really hope you didn't imagine that. My only complaint right now with GOG is the delay on updates for games released here. I'm by no means a Galaxy fanboi, but it doesn't cause any issues for me, so I use it.
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kbnrylaec: I have over 1000 games here, but I start buying DRM-free games on Humble Bundle recently.
Because I could not trust GOG anymore.

Recent GOG promo are ALL buggy, and GOG Support are slow and bad.
While DRM-free is very importand for me, there are still other online stores sell DRM-free games.
Does the Humble Store work like the GOG store?

Do you get a shelf or other storage interface and can you download a DRM-free game as often as you like without any client?

I bought a Humble Bundle once a very long time ago and got a one-time download code for the games (yeah I picked up the bundle for two games because the rest were all Steam keys and I don't use Steam).

To the OP:

DRM free is why I only use GOG. I can keep my games forever. I never have, nor will I ever, use Steam as long as it is DRM. I bought Desktop Dungeons pre-kickstarter-mania and supported the dev directly on their website and got bonuses, but it is on my old PC and the devs never responded when I wanted to download a copy on my new PC. If I just waited I could have had it here on GOG and it would be on my new PC and I would still play it, but alas, DRM, one-time buys are out for me now.

The DRM-free always own your game is such a big deal for me, I bought games on GOG before I built my new PC even though my old one could not play the games I was buying. I bought them knowing full well I would in the future have the hardware to play them and I wanted to make sure I had them (sometimes games go away because of licensing issues) and to support the developers.

Prior to GoG my PC games collection was very small. I played consoles way more. I liked putting a game in and having it play, being able to take it to a friends house and always having it. My copy of Diablo is for the Playstation not the PC.

But a funny thing has happened because of GOG. My PC collection is large now and GOG is my favorite platform. That may seem weird to say - GOG is a platform, but that is the way it is. Console games are not universal to each console - Xbox is a platform, PlayStation is a platform, Nintendo Wii U, Switch, 3DS are all different platforms I don't buy PC-games that have DRM. I buy only from GOG because I only want one platform. One were I own a game forever and can back it up, download it as often as I want to play on a laptop when I am out or on my Beast gaming desktop at home or on a new computer in the future that the games are supported on and I own a copy.

I actually bought a bunch of PSN-only games for the PS3 and am very disappointed I can't play them on PS4. Games that are small and easy to port or require almost no work like Pac-Man CEDX never was updated. Super Stardust was a full repurchase as is The Pinball Arcade. The only company to do right was FarEast Studios and the free PS4 version I got of Rainbow Moon which I had on PS3. The fact is, my PS4 has very few games. But game consoles are getting awful - rebuy the same game for every new console, 20GB day-one patches, always-on DRM for some games - including when in single-player like Battleborn. Game console took all the worst parts of old PC gaming and got rid of all the good parts of old console gaming. Gone are the days of putting in a game and having it just work and being able to play right away.
Post edited September 18, 2017 by MajicMan
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MajicMan: The fact is, my PS4 has very few games. But game consoles are getting awful - rebuy the same game for every new console, 20GB day-one patches, always-on DRM for some games - including when in single-player like Battleborn. Game console took all the worst parts of old PC gaming and got rid of all the good parts of old console gaming. Gone are the days of putting in a game and having it just work and being able to play right away.
This, my friend, is why I just traded in my PS4 and got a Switch. The Switch is the last television-based console that's still a console. I only have a few games for it, but I do not have to be online to play them, and any friends of mine who want to use my cartridges can. The minimal patches I've downloaded were not required to enjoy either of the games I've tested so far.

I strayed from Nintendo for a very long time. I'm proud to say I returned back where I started as a gamer, and I'm probably sticking with them going forward. There's a reason they're so well loved.

Good luck with your PS4. After the last 9gb patch for FF XV, I got fed up. If I wanted huge patches all the time, I'd have waited to get FF XV on PC, which is where I'll be getting it next. I'm also not too keen on Sony downgrading their PS3s and not enabling their PS4s to be backwards compatible. They decided they could make more money through their subscription service for PS3 games, and the older games they now resell on the PS store so that way you can't play the original discs.

Sony makes (arguably) quality products, but I do not like what they've become.
Leave Chris Alone!
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MajicMan: Does the Humble Store work like the GOG store?
Different, but similar.

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MajicMan: Do you get a shelf or other storage interface and can you download a DRM-free game as often as you like without any client?
Yes, and Humble Bundle provides md5sum for almost every file. Very easy for use.
(The only one file I got there that did not come with md5sum, is a bonus pdf.)

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MajicMan: I bought a Humble Bundle once a very long time ago and got a one-time download code for the games (yeah I picked up the bundle for two games because the rest were all Steam keys and I don't use Steam).
If you bought bundles, only few of them includes DRM-free downloads.
Even if they did, sometimes you only get soundtracks and/or other non-game bonus contents.

If you only want DRM-free games, you have to buy them directly in Humble Store.
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DampSquib: Simple, DRM free and all under one roof.

Updates, sure i remember seeing a blue say they are working on the speed of release....
I think, maybe i imagined that, or wishful thinking.
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Leucius: I really hope you didn't imagine that. My only complaint right now with GOG is the delay on updates for games released here. I'm by no means a Galaxy fanboi, but it doesn't cause any issues for me, so I use it.
I hope i didn't either, never did find the post i read tho, galaxy is ok, wasn't for me.
Never caused me any issues either, two weird bugs iirc, they got quickly squished.
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MajicMan: The fact is, my PS4 has very few games. But game consoles are getting awful - rebuy the same game for every new console, 20GB day-one patches, always-on DRM for some games - including when in single-player like Battleborn. Game console took all the worst parts of old PC gaming and got rid of all the good parts of old console gaming. Gone are the days of putting in a game and having it just work and being able to play right away.
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Leucius: This, my friend, is why I just traded in my PS4 and got a Switch. The Switch is the last television-based console that's still a console. I only have a few games for it, but I do not have to be online to play them, and any friends of mine who want to use my cartridges can. The minimal patches I've downloaded were not required to enjoy either of the games I've tested so far.

I strayed from Nintendo for a very long time. I'm proud to say I returned back where I started as a gamer, and I'm probably sticking with them going forward. There's a reason they're so well loved.

Good luck with your PS4. After the last 9gb patch for FF XV, I got fed up. If I wanted huge patches all the time, I'd have waited to get FF XV on PC, which is where I'll be getting it next. I'm also not too keen on Sony downgrading their PS3s and not enabling their PS4s to be backwards compatible. They decided they could make more money through their subscription service for PS3 games, and the older games they now resell on the PS store so that way you can't play the original discs.

Sony makes (arguably) quality products, but I do not like what they've become.
I am not sure it will make a difference. I own a WiiU and have about the same number of games for both it and my PS4, but outside the Nintendo games for QA, how does the Switch stop the problems the PS4 and XboxOne have?

Skyrim was released in 2011 and now is on the Switch, what does that mean for the Elder Scrolls VI? Is Bethesda going to actually release a finished game? It would be the first time. every single Bethesda release is always buggy and sometimes outright broken. How does releasing on the Switch change Bethesda, Ubisoft, EA Gearbox, Activision, etc.? Does that mean the Switch release for games has to be year after the release on other platforms so that the release is fixed and properly playable?

I would turn in my PS4 if I could get the exclusive games on PS4 here on GOG. The Disgaea series, Nioh, Nier Automata, Gravity Rush series, Persona series, Horizon Zero Dawn. The PS4 has a bunch of great exclusive games, It's just a shame that no backwards compatibility, no moving over games you already own (rebuying at full price is BS) and letting devs release broken games.

Nintendo is masters at rebuying. Super Mario World (SNES), Super Mario Advance: Super Mario World for the GBA, SMW through Virtual Store on the 3DS, SMW through the Virtual Store on the WiiU and coming soon to the Switch.
A couple reasons:

GOG has better sales then steam throughout the year, I feel more inclined to drop 5 dollars a week here and there cause their weekly sales are focused, steam randomly discounts a ton of games and highlights 1 to 3 bigger games and calls it a week sale. The weekend sales on steam have been mediocre. Rockstar, bandai namco, paradox, some random PC dev weekend.

Galaxy client actually has faster and easier methods of sorting through games to find something.

GOG throws out a couple freebies here and there, steam does bland things like profile stickers in the summer sale

...and GOG doesnt focus on achievements as much, seriously I get OCD cause the achievements system.

Also CD projekt red doesnt have cash grab systems disguised as games like CSGO and Dota 2. Valve kind of deserves to lose respect over the years.
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Leucius: This, my friend, is why I just traded in my PS4 and got a Switch. The Switch is the last television-based console that's still a console. I only have a few games for it, but I do not have to be online to play them, and any friends of mine who want to use my cartridges can. The minimal patches I've downloaded were not required to enjoy either of the games I've tested so far.

I strayed from Nintendo for a very long time. I'm proud to say I returned back where I started as a gamer, and I'm probably sticking with them going forward. There's a reason they're so well loved.

Good luck with your PS4. After the last 9gb patch for FF XV, I got fed up. If I wanted huge patches all the time, I'd have waited to get FF XV on PC, which is where I'll be getting it next. I'm also not too keen on Sony downgrading their PS3s and not enabling their PS4s to be backwards compatible. They decided they could make more money through their subscription service for PS3 games, and the older games they now resell on the PS store so that way you can't play the original discs.

Sony makes (arguably) quality products, but I do not like what they've become.
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MajicMan: I am not sure it will make a difference. I own a WiiU and have about the same number of games for both it and my PS4, but outside the Nintendo games for QA, how does the Switch stop the problems the PS4 and XboxOne have?

Skyrim was released in 2011 and now is on the Switch, what does that mean for the Elder Scrolls VI? Is Bethesda going to actually release a finished game? It would be the first time. every single Bethesda release is always buggy and sometimes outright broken. How does releasing on the Switch change Bethesda, Ubisoft, EA Gearbox, Activision, etc.? Does that mean the Switch release for games has to be year after the release on other platforms so that the release is fixed and properly playable?

I would turn in my PS4 if I could get the exclusive games on PS4 here on GOG. The Disgaea series, Nioh, Nier Automata, Gravity Rush series, Persona series, Horizon Zero Dawn. The PS4 has a bunch of great exclusive games, It's just a shame that no backwards compatibility, no moving over games you already own (rebuying at full price is BS) and letting devs release broken games.

Nintendo is masters at rebuying. Super Mario World (SNES), Super Mario Advance: Super Mario World for the GBA, SMW through Virtual Store on the 3DS, SMW through the Virtual Store on the WiiU and coming soon to the Switch.
Disgaea is available on other platforms, as is Nier Automata. As far as Nintendo, it's true that they sell their games in their virtual shop and have since the Wii, but they also included backwards compatibility with the Wii (Not sure about Wii U as I never owned one).

I wasn't trying to strictly bash Sony, just stating for me, it's better that I went to a Switch. The PS4 is mid range computer. Other than some exclusives, there's no reason for me to own one.