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HiPhish: Racial awareness campaigns are BS though. It's like a pendulum that keeps swinging back and forth. First it was OK to repress black people, and now white people have to flagellate themselves for their privilege? That's the sort of shit that will just spur hatred of black people all over again.
Reminds me of Morgan Freeman's view on Black history month...
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ET3D: Several people said here that as kids they didn't 'see' different colour skins, and I can't believe it. Kids notice everything. They notice if you're tall, fat, have glasses or have a different coloured skin. They accept it though. Unless they don't and want to make something of it. And if it's something they didn't see before they'd give it more attention.

Race itself isn't something you see unless it's drilled in, but as people we always generalise, we learn to classify 'dog' as a certain kind of animal, and if we associate certain types of dogs with certain experiences, our mind creates rules regarding that. We look at other people the same way. If we see a group of people which can be identified by a certain look and we notice that people of that group behave in certain ways which are different than people of other groups, then we'll build an image in our minds of that group.
(Several people said here that as kids they didn't 'see' different colour skins, and I can't believe it.)
Maybe not nowadays with TV and PC's,but when I was a kid all I wanted to do was have fun...
Post edited February 12, 2015 by gunsynd
My late childhood, about 8-9 yo.. Young arabs in my part of France were bullies borderline criminals . No comment.
Our neighbors were batshit fundie Christian Jews. My parents occasionally said racist stuff about them, I thought it to be part and parcel of the whole shitty neighbor deal. (We weren't nice neighbors either.)

On the preschool playground and in primary school, there was a lot of "don't talk to him/her, he/she is non-Russian". (I ignored it and did what I wanted.) In primary school, I got my share of bullying because of my "ethnic" surname for about two years until the bullies grew out of it.

When I really started to understand the whole racism thing was the beginning of secondary school. Unlike the situation in primary school, cliques formed, and some kids didn't "fit in". I was awkward, and with no socialization going on outside of cliques, I couldn't just approach a lone kid and say "Uh hello there, I'm not a racist dipshit, let's be friends". However, after kids found out about sex, ethnicity-based insults were replaced by accusations of sluttiness and/or unconventional sexual practices. For a time, it looked like racism was simply juvenile nonsense that everyone had grown out of.

Then my sunburned Russian friend was stopped by cops.
Post edited February 12, 2015 by Starmaker
Romanian born here. As some of you probably know, some organizations are trying to change the gipsy to romany name. Personally, I'm still waiting to see the first gipsy who wants to be called romany instead of gipsy.
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babark: I often think about making an overtly race-incorporating city RPG which uses all the stereotypes about different races and cultures and religions as character traits and bonuses- like how a black character would have +1 athleticism or a jewish character would have +1 mercantile or a muslim character would have the blood rage trait, etc.
Haha, that sounds awesome. Since these are different traits you could mix gender, ethnicity and religion. Genders would be cis-scum, faggot and tranny. Who wouldn't want to play a jewish nigger faggot? It could be a mod for an existing RPG like Neverwinter Nights.

Thanks, that's awesome.

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OlivawR: ...
In Germany the politically correct idiots are trying to argue that "Zigeuner", the word for gipsy, is inherently racists because it supposedly means "ziehende Gauner", i.e. travelling scoundrels. Which is BS they completely made up and then kept circle-quoting each other. The same term exists in many other European languages, in slightly different form.
tEh only time ifve ever come across any sort of raxcism wias when ai whias liveing in ans asiaon manority area an may neighber comae aoutr antd calle dme a rounde yeed idiot and andother time miwhen I mwias isn mall arcar park and an sao asian guy wnent crayzsy and totfgot out of his car and started shouting at me and hitting on my wifdronshsled because he thugght I was cgoinng to take his carspace toher than that no toher experineces ai can like that
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Johnmourby: This mental inactivity was broken recently when I was called a racist for saying I was happy with Peter Parker as Spiderman rather than a black guy. For what it's worth I never like it when a white male character is replaced and a black guy or a woman for the sake of diversity, and if that make me racist.... Sorry?

So, was I unusually for being colour blind for so long? Does everyone do through this revelation? Do some people see different races from three years old? Can racial awareness be a good thing? Should Ben Affleck Play Barack Obama even though Obama is only half white?
Should the question not rather be: why is Spiderman - and about each and every other comic superhero white - or maybe a "creature", in fact?

Which one would you see played by a black, then, if Spiderman is "out of bounds"?

Was this not maybe the question you were asked, as opposed the all-in "racist" accusation, I wonder?

Probably none, you say... because they are not there. I read some comics - Modesty Blaise, Sandman, Larson, Hergé for the main - and the leads are all white, though one female at least in case of Peter O'Donnell.

And it was Rosa Parks, actually, at the Back of the Bus.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosa_Parks
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Johnmourby: This mental inactivity was broken recently when I was called a racist for saying I was happy with Peter Parker as Spiderman rather than a black guy. For what it's worth I never like it when a white male character is replaced and a black guy or a woman for the sake of diversity, and if that make me racist.... Sorry?

So, was I unusually for being colour blind for so long? Does everyone do through this revelation? Do some people see different races from three years old? Can racial awareness be a good thing? Should Ben Affleck Play Barack Obama even though Obama is only half white?
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TStael: Should the question not rather be: why is Spiderman - and about each and every other comic superhero white - or maybe a "creature", in fact?

Which one would you see played by a black, then, if Spiderman is "out of bounds"?

Was this not maybe the question you were asked, as opposed the all-in "racist" accusation, I wonder?
No..... Nobody has ever asked me that. Infact I'm not even sure what you're asking. The question isn't well phrased. But in as far as I understand you question which white character would I like to see played as black? Ummm, none of them? Maybe it would be funny to take a famously racist person and get a black guy to play him but I can't see that staying funny for more that 5 minutes.

As for the question as to "Why is Spiderman - and about each and every other comic superhero white?", well.... they aren't.
There are plenty of non-white superheroes. I you're saying why are all the best/most important superheroes white it's because 1: Most of the writers where and still are white and white people default to writing other white people, people write what they know, (and apparently that's a bad thing)
2: Most of the famous ones where created after the superhero genre hit its peak. It's hard to name 10 A-list superheroes created after 1975 and I 'm sure I don't need to tell you what it was like for non-whites before then.
When I was very young, I lived in an area where my ethnicity was in the minority. OH BOY was racism a thing there. The majority culture there was incredibly racist. I can still remember not being allowed to go in certain areas, and being warned away from certain ethnicities because it was risky for someone of my skin color.

After a few years, we moved across the country to an area where my ethnicity was in the majority and common racism went the other way. It took a while to adjust. Prejudices like that generally stand out to me now, maybe because of those experiences.
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rtcvb32: Yeah i noticed cute girls, some overweight kids and black boys, and other things. But it didn't mean anything. Why you should judge someone by something like the color of their skin, or if they shave their head, or decide to wear a blue shirt that day is just stupid.
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ET3D: The younger you are, the less it matters
Not necessarily true when you're in the minority. I was definitely aware of racial prejudice starting around 1st grade. I needed to be to handle where I lived.
Post edited February 17, 2015 by Gilozard
"Racism is stupid when there are so many perfectly good reasons to hate people on an individual basis."
I guess in early teenage in 90s when our local tv illegally aired MTV
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Johnmourby: This mental inactivity was broken recently when I was called a racist for saying I was happy with Peter Parker as Spiderman rather than a black guy. For what it's worth I never like it when a white male character is replaced and a black guy or a woman for the sake of diversity, and if that make me racist.... Sorry?
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Wishbone: That has nothing to do with racism, that's just respect for the original material. I suspect that you'd be just as annoyed if a character who was black in the original book/comic was played by a white guy in the movie.
But if the original material was racist - and most comics were/are very racist - that complicates things.

I'd be fine with a different race for Spiderman. Race isn't really important to his character arc, intelligence is. He lives in Queens originally anyway, so there's a good case to be made for a race switch. There are lots of superheros where race isn't relevant to the arc.

Some couldn't be changed without changing their character, though. The whole point of Captain America was that he was an Aryan ideal representing America who punched Hitler in the face.
Meh, I'm still not aware of any...

There are cultural differences, but those can be present regardless of the color of your skin.

I don't see skin color as any different than hair color.
Kindergarten...

I'm not proud of it but yeah...Kingergarten...