I see some points in you post. But doesn't russian politics play the same melody?
Few weeks ago our media informed that http://www.levada.ru/eng/ conducted survey and according 68% of russians is afraid that war threat from other countries is real. I don't know if this source is realible but if it is truth - I'm just speechless

All in all we must remember: it's all politics and their play of power and influence - at the end of the day we (regular people) will pay for their games.

Poland didn't want to cooperate against Hitler, different kinds of pacts involving France, USSR, England and Poland were offered and refused.
Poland government wanted to cooperate with Hitler like in Czechoslovakia against USSR.
Hitler attacked Poland, government, which didn't expect "treason", fled, because they fucked up country - no allies on the west, 10 years of anti-soviet rhetoric on the east.
Other facts indirectly prove that Poland didn't make preparations against Hitler's armies on its border, didn't fight against him at full potential and wasn't mentally ready for confrontation. So, Poland was tricked by wolf in sheep's skin.

Saakashvili started the war of 080808 AND he now works in Ukraine. 2+2=?.

Politics - no.
Russia wanted peaceful trade and tourists (Sochi).
In Ukraine, which was vital for some of high-tech technologies we got
http://i.imgur.com/JfbMt1v.jpg
Which resulted in http://i.imgur.com/E4vqkpd.jpg
& with attempt to http://i.imgur.com/Sfrp78z.png
While getting blamed for horrendous atrocities like MH-17.
http://www.gog.com/forum/general/malaysia_airlines_mh17_missing_over_ukraine/post159
Or Kramatorsk shooting
http://imgur.com/a/Z5N55

and in your mind those two things are somehow related, aren't they ?

Whoa, i just clicked and entered the twilight zone. Nope.

Russian propaganda works like a charm. When a country's leaders f**k up at so many levels one should stop defending them.

[shaking head in disbelief]

and Soviet Union cooperated with Germany and attacked Poland from the east and then supported German war efforts in the west and expanded its territory just like Germany.
and then it got attacked by Germany because it didn't expect treason by its ally.

so everything you said can be used against Soviet Union. It cooperated with Hitler, supported him with goods and treaties which allowed German to fight the war in the west. It expanded its territory by conquering Poland and parts of Finland...

Poland fucked up few times before the war, appeasing Hitler was wrong way to go but nobody wanted the war back then and they believed that was the best course to take to avoid german soldiers crossing the border.
that was a mistake indeed.

but a mistaken policies and actions does not equal to actual support of Nazi Germany which Russia did for almost a decade. Which you are conveniently forgetting.

And how this relates to the thread.

Cause current situation in Ukraine parallels what was happening in Czechoslovakia in 1930s. Annexation of Crimea by russia which is 100% illegal and just wrong on so many levels and then constant support of Rebels in the east does seem like what was happening in the 38. Not to mention inapt involvement of western powers in that conflict...
Of course no WW3 is going to happen, chances of that are extremely remote. But we again have war in europe after so many years and that is just depressing.

That pisses me off the most. Whitewashing ones country history is one thing.
Defending ones leaders?

I just don't get it.

I find all politicians distasteful. They are all self-serving narcissistic assholes who think they are better than everyone else and they have the power to affect lives of people who just want to be left alone.
Even at best of times I would be skeptical about defending current leaders.

But defending the current government of Russia? It is clear that the whole system is incredibly broken, that every single one of them is piece of garbage.
and yet, people still trust it, still trust the media even though every single one of them is under governmental control.
where is russian fox news?
where are russian ann coulter?

how can people buy that crap?

Says the guy coming from one of the most censored countries in the world.

Europe went through 2 world wars and plenty economic crises and you expect it to be in good shape? Amusing.

And yes, Russia is an aggressor and will still be until that egomaniac Putin doesn't go down and a better successor comes. You waged economic war with Western European countries and US and slowed down world trade thus impacting the economic state of the world, constantly send troops in Ukraine, have religious issues in some of your own states, and wage a weird propagandist war on the internet, while free hating on the Polish and Finish. Should I continue? Those are just the first few things that came up to mind and they are only the most recent ones.

Just no. Crimea tried peacefully return to Russia for twenty years and always was denied by west, because "map says so".
You put paper over people's needs and will. This isn't democratic.
Ukraine is a failed state living its last days, capital was captured by people, which don't reflect Ukraine's needs.
Regions don't want to live under Kiev.
FFS, look at meetings: pro-ukrainian http://i.imgur.com/iYjVL3J.jpg with buses in the back which bring people here
pro-russian on the same street http://i.imgur.com/3pYDrub.jpg

Did you know that there are anti-government protests in Kiev again?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVeTT-lNKHY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5IJnEizRpQ

This is obvious when politics go against "wisdom of the crowd" and their rating drops, like Holland's in France to 4%.
Current government actions are in line of "I would've done the same in these circumstances".
Worse than Ukraine? You are joking, right?
Look at this graph: http://i.imgur.com/ACYWckx.png
Yes, current management worse than in Kazakhstan and Belorussia, but isn't bad to the point of motion of no confidence. Life was steadily improving for last 15 years.
Second language is more or less mandatory. My father learned German (ties with GDR), I learn English.
We can read foreign press, nothing prevent us from doing this.
Very trustful press http://i.imgur.com/y1NrxPB.jpg
Even more Russia was shocked by credibility of foreign press after 080808.
Every fucking newspaper screamed about "Russian invasion". It took months for truth to break through, and still there are people which believe into "invasion".

Russian fox news probably "TV Rain"

Russian ann coulter... Well, there is a problem.
Strong critique is possible in US, which is full of people with different backgrounds and beliefs.
Russia is more or less homogeneous in mentality, and current government reflects most people's will.
Our "opposition" is a bunch of freaks which nobody takes seriously. http://i.imgur.com/oeaYZiS.jpg

And thus we need to revolt like in Ukraine, start civil war like in Ukraine, rewrite constitution to let foreigners rule over country like in Ukraine.

Don't read "explanations" in press. Read facts.
Like with http://i.imgur.com/l7PbQPq.jpg which is lookalike of Colin's "example"
Beggingshenko says that "it is result of russian bombing by grad"
http://i.imgur.com/wREn67N.jpg - this is result of bombing by Grad.
What was real case? People found on video http://i.imgur.com/dQi26dg.jpg
Element of anti-personnel mine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MON-50

"According to US agencies, which put Ukraine higher in the list of freedom despite the fact that they outright banned Russian tv channels and don't let Russian journalists enter country".

Ah-ha-ha-ha. Blaming 70 years old events... Good one, I thought that this was common only in USRR.

Any proofs or as usual?

Proof of the obvious? Funny individual. Alas, it is not my job to illuminate the weak, so I'll allow you to continue your existence in your ignorance and nationalism. You think your country does good? Well then, I guess half of the world must be wrong in disliking it. /endsarcasm

Not to mention you yourself openly hated on Poland and Finland. So here, you provided proof of something yourself. Funny how you support GOG, a Poland based company. Oh, all those internet news about Russian troops crossing the border into Ukraine with supplies for rebels must be fake as well. The official news of Russian bans on European food products must be a myth. All those conflicts between Islam and Christianity in Middle East and Eastern Europe centered Russia must be also a legend. It's not like Chechnya's condition is not related to religion. And all those Russians flocking to internet forums avidly supporting their country in the stupidest of decisions, yes, all an illusion.

Note for the dumb: Google is a powerful tool. Or let me guess, Russians don't trust it because it was made by an American company. I find it pathetic people request proof of CURRENT events, even more so in the shape of internet links.

But alas, I decided that maybe it is better to inform such a pompous individual such as yourself of your own country's problems:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Chechen_War

[url=http://www.iol.ie/~afifi/Articles/chechnya.htm]http://www.iol.ie/~afifi/Articles/chechnya.htm[/url]

Here are links of Chechnya's conflicts with Russia.

http://www.bloomberg.com/bw/articles/2014-09-11/russias-ban-on-eu-food-triggers-deflation-fears

http://rt.com/business/184953-embargo-cost-europe-5billion/

Here are links to your leader's stupidity of slowing world trade.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/28/world/europe/putin-to-sign-ban-on-us-adoptions-of-russian-children.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

Here's another interesting fact that only makes Putin look stupider.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014%E2%80%9315_Russian_military_intervention_in_Ukraine

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_Donbass

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/europe/2014/11/nato-russian-troops-ukraine-now-2014111214105962679.html

You know what the most prominent word is in these links? Russian offenders. Congratulations on being an ignorant bigger than extremist religious groups!

And here's the best shit: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_brigades

Your government brainwashes you even on the internet.

You are dumb. "80 years ago Poland planned to capture some USSR territory"=/= "I hate them now"
I like to read Poland writer, Joanna Chmielewska.
As for Poland, I pity them. Cannot into space, talking heads in government. Finland - bros.
"supplies for rebels" were monitored by OSCE and went to civil population, which doesn't get food in any other way than from Russia.

"The official news of Russian bans on European food products must be a myth." West blackmails Russia with sanctions and don't like answer?

"All those conflicts between Islam and Christianity in Middle East centered Russia must be also a legend. It's not like Chechnya's condition is not related to religion. " Boston marathon bombing is done by typical people which caused problems in Checnya.

"And all those Russians flocking to internet forums avidly supporting their country in the stupidest of decisions, yes, all an illusion."
I migrated here with the release of the Russian game www.gog.com/forum/eador_series
And became person of the year on gog for being nice and helpful
http://www.gog.com/forum/general/goglodyte_of_the_year_award/post172
I don't like this bashing of my country.
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/02/24/labour-councillor-claims-putin-controlled-by-aliens/

But alas, I decided that maybe it is better to inform such a pompous individual such as yourself of your own country's problems:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Chechen_War

[url=http://www.iol.ie/~afifi/Articles/chechnya.htm]http://www.iol.ie/~afifi/Articles/chechnya.htm[/url]

Here are links of Chechnya's conflicts with Russia.

http://www.bloomberg.com/bw/articles/2014-09-11/russias-ban-on-eu-food-triggers-deflation-fears

http://rt.com/business/184953-embargo-cost-europe-5billion/

Here are links to your leader's stupidity of slowing world trade.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/28/world/europe/putin-to-sign-ban-on-us-adoptions-of-russian-children.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

Here's another interesting fact that only makes Putin look stupider.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014%E2%80%9315_Russian_military_intervention_in_Ukraine

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_Donbass

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/europe/2014/11/nato-russian-troops-ukraine-now-2014111214105962679.html

You know what the most prominent word is in these links? Russian offenders. Congratulations on being an ignorant bigger than extremist religious groups!

And here's the best shit: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_brigades

Your government brainwashes you even on the internet.

Oh, you don't like this bashing of your country's, but you like to constantly bash others and blame everyone else except yours? Sounds fair! I mean, sure, it's not like you the actual citizens take a stand against your abusive leaders, right? No, because screw change for the better. Homeostasis is the best!

Here's the thing, it's not your country's fault, as much as it is you as people following broken leaders. You're not the only ones doing it in this world, but you're the one's defending the broken leaders.

I've met nice Russians as well, but guess what? They were not living in Russia! They were immigrants in other Western countries, and they themselves were critics of their homeland leaders.

Do you now notice a discrepancy between you and other people of your nationality?

Western portraying of Chechen war.
After bandit removal this region is quite peaceful with close to 100% pro-russian support.
Remove sanctions, we would remove embargo. It is that simple.
This thing is way deeper than portrayed here. While some of the adoptions were good, many of them were children slave trading. One of my friends worked for 4 years to return abducted child which was adopted into Spain through shady scheme.
Yes, "ill childrens". Remember, that Russia is corrupt, it isn't hard to buy false papers about near-death status.

What exactly wikipedia proves?
"Someone" adds article "Russia attacks Ukraine", admin "yep, I see this in TV, so it is true".
Year passed, there are still no satellite photos of Russians invading Ukraine.

Look, for things being constructive, you shouldn't teach me about how bad I'm living according to your TV portraying of Russia.
If you don't understand "Why I see in TV X and they do Y instead of Z", ask.
I don't see abuse and violations of my rights. Yes, I would've liked more hard fight corruption, but things still better than ten years ago. Nothing stops me from joining government and working on changes to better. I plan to do it in 5-7 years.