Well it is sometimes, but not here.

I'm quite wasted and need to hit the sack...

You ok mate? Please don't go... :(

as we had established just a few sentences before, there are enough people already in europe who are willing to take up the torch to fight for the IS. Closing the borders won't give us security from more terror attacks.
Mind you, of course it is true that we still need some solution for the immigration/refugee problem. But mixing that problem with what happened in Paris and deciding some drastic measures in the emotional aftershock of that horror just to fullfil our need to feel a bit more secure, seems ill-advised.

But that's exactly what Polands new government just now announced.

My deepest condolence for all the victims of this utterly despicable attack.

It's a very difficult situation. I would mostly compare it to 9/11. It's just pure terrorist attacks driven by hate (and maybe a bit of religious fanatism). Terrorists want to induce fear, paralyze and divide their enemy. And they are incredibly difficult to get.

We could go into Syria with ground troops and destroy ISIS completely, no matter what anyone else says. Or we could increase surveillance and wait for the next attack with the next dead civilians on our side. Both is not very nice and I don't know which I should prefer. But I guess that one of the two will happen.

Why are they crossing the Mediterranean? Is it not safe in Turkey - I know they deal with ISIS, but so does the USA.
Europe, left this all too late. We should have gone in and supported Assad from day one, we should have supported Gaddafi, we should gave supported Mubarak. Not because these were the best leaders, but they were the legitimate leaders of their countries and if we truly believed that those countries needed change we should have worked our arses off to put in a legitimate handover, not a bloody war that then leaves bloodthirsty tribal groups vying for control. That then leads to the expansion of ISIS.

Also where the hell are these "poor" "refugees" getting thousands of $? I do not have enough to scape together thousands.

How? In Europe there are millions of unemployed people already. Why not put them to work in these mysterious jobs? It would save us all billions in our taxes.
There are not the jobs for all those "refugees", so many will just end up on welfare. Doing nothing but begrudging the countries they end up in and hating the people. Then you get crime, then you get the violent attacks.
You have a misplaced seance of us all feeling equal. We do not, we are born wanting, demanding and we have to be taught restraint. Some people never learn restraint, and others learn they can get by without.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VQk_VklYUc
Shut your mouth and open your ears. They are not supported by law, but this has been going on in the UK for over a decade.

So the IRA were radicalised violent extremists? The Tutsi were radicalised?
Pol Pot was he radaclised? Or was he a mad man?
When you claim someone is radicalised you ARE removing the blame from them and passing it on. These people doing these actions are responsible, and should be held as such. These are not influenced little boys, these are grown men. Men who had managed to function in their societies. They are nothing more then killers for a falsified idea that they are superior to those they kill.

Hypersensitive agency detection. Basically people like this are screwy in the brain and are just latching onto something that fits into the narrative within their little skull. Easy to brainwash, and easy to influence.
Still this does not remove the blame from them having taken the actions they will take. It just means these individuals cannot live without god or something else directing them in circles.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agent_detection

Karl Marx did not believe in what he wrote. He knew it was all doomed to failure. Just like the immhams who tell these young men all about these virgins and us despicable unclean westerners. The immham will never die for these beliefs, he knows it is all a crock of shit.
Voltaire, yeah, there is a radical (to the best of my limited knowledge of him).

No radical and violent are not always a pair. You are right.
Both attacks on France this year have involved violent narrow minded people. Nothing less, and do not follow the mass media in giving them a get out of jail free card.



I have to defend our "refugee" here.
Face it, do you want that ugly old bag and the 3-6 kids weighing you down? You know when you get to Europe there are all these sweet virgins just waiting for a bit of the exotic.
Why would you not leave her there? Start life afresh in a brave new uncultured land.

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There is some entertainment value, but if you want a serious dicusssion of the Paris attacks go elsewhere.

Problem is people bring the same fanboy attiudes they have towards games and movies to political discussions on "Geek" sites and the results, though often hilarious,are worthless as serious discussions. Lots of posturing, lots of cool hipster cycincism,lots of over the top blind ideology,and lots of trolls.
That team is the West Point team. Those players, after they graduate with their commissions as 2nd Lts in the US Army, stand a very high chance of being in combat with ISIS along side the French.

since its past some days, are there any articles that sums up everything what happened, longer with more details preferred?

How would we react? I would take my partner, and take her to my parents. I would make sure she was sent somewhere safe. If it came to it I would fight to defend my family and loved ones.
Were could I run if the UK became overrun with radical muslims. They leave you with no other option then to fight them and in the UK we are at a strong disadvantage.
We are not even allowed to carry knives or pepper spray legally. Less right to defend and just a right to die.

1- See earlier quote.
2- So what you admit, and we all know, is that the total influx will be 2-6x what we see now. Yet you say lets keep taking what we cannot afford to feed, or house.


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I really do not know what to say. Except that maybe you have been radicalised by your government.
Not to worry we wont blame you, we will just blame someone else. After all you know no better, you are just a poor marginalised radical thinker in a backwards world.

So all you do show is that we can indeed fix this problem. We just need to stop people from thinking.
Who would have thought that Fox News and MTV would be the answer to anything.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34818994

polish government never listens to me :(
but then, their refusal to take more refugees isn't really a new position. They just found the "right" time to say it out loud.

i think Afghanistan showed us clearly that we are not capable of erradicating a terrorist group and bring peace to a country. And you could say that the recent terror attacks in France show that surveillance doesn't work either.
so ... ?
the only hopeful developments so far imo are the Syria talks that just took place in Vienna. That might lead to something ...

Its more or less decided already. France is in a state of war for a minimum off next three months and attacks on Syrian IS positions are already beginning. Its probably just a question of time before France activates article 5 of Nato treaty which will mean that the alliance (NATO) will go to war. Same as in Afghanistan and Irak. Sadly this is what open borders have brought us.

Hope those in france and affected will be ok.

Honestly anyone surprised by this?.
Been surprised there had not been similar attacks
like this previously. With the whole isis thing would have
Thought terrorism would have gone through the roof.

If there are enough jobs for low skilled asylum seekers then they are good for the economy. If there aren't enough jobs for them then obviously they are not so good for the economy. But they still benefit the economy because just having more people spending money benefits the economy(in civilized countries that give money to people in need). A 60 year old ex goat herder will be spending money wherever he is. Of course, if a low skilled asylum seeker moves to one of those hardcore capitalist countries that want people who can't get a job to eat shit and die, then that low skilled asylum seeker will not benefit the economy in any way whatsoever. So it all depends, really. But I highly doubt many low skilled asylum seekers seek asylum somewhere, there is a good chance they will eat shit and die. So I'm sure it is safe to say, most low skilled asylum seekers benefit the economy.

My thoughts and prayers are with France and her people. As we enter tomorrow, let's try to reconcile our differences and band together against these terrorists.