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foad01: This doesn't sound fishy at all, right? Here is the problem.
The problem is that you keep playing forum police (against the forum rules I might add) and deraling threads with your spats with people you accuse of being alts left and right, effectively doing more damage than they even if they are alts indeed. Could you maybe spam mods with your suspicions instead of the forum itself in the future?

And yes, I know that this post probably reminds you of someone else's posts and proves I'm an alt of mqstout's second cousin's former roommate.
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foad01: This doesn't sound fishy at all, right? Here is the problem.
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Breja: The problem is that you keep playing forum police (against the forum rules I might add) and deraling threads with your spats with people you accuse of being alts left and right, effectively doing more damage than they even if they are alts indeed. Could you maybe spam mods with your suspicions instead of the forum itself in the future?

And yes, I know that this post probably reminds you of someone else's posts and proves I'm an alt of mqstout's second cousin's former roommate.
@Breja Thank you!

@foad01 seriously, quit harassing me! You're on your own.
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MerylUnlocked: [...]
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foad01: A random person claims they have done improvement mods for certain games. GOG ignores this person and now GOG are not doing anything for "preservation". With "your" mods it suddenly becomes "preservation". Without "your" mods GOG is not doing enough for "preservation". This doesn't sound fishy at all, right? Here is the problem. Why haven't you released these mods? Why aren't you releasing them on ModDB for example?
Don't bother, it is not like he would admit that and be like yeah dude, you are right. It is internet fake people and accounts and lies exist all the time. We all can claim things, doesn't mean it is true unless there are proofs.
This thread is pointless anyway, I agree with Wild.Dog this thread being all fearmongering and yellow journalism and his points about Galaxy and third party tools.
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Breja: [...]
I think these alt accounts are one of the main problems of this place. Pointing them out is not against the forum rules. The discussion is becoming a total farce when people are hiding behind alt accounts and openly admit that they want to "crush this Preservation Program".

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MerylUnlocked: [..]
Don't hide behind Breja's post. Answer these two questions:

Why haven't you released these mods?

Why aren't you releasing them on ModDB for example?
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Breja: [...]
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foad01: I think these alt accounts are one of the main problems of this place. Pointing them out is not against the forum rules. The discussion is becoming a total farce when people are hiding behind alt accounts and openly admit that they want to "crush this Preservation Program".

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MerylUnlocked: [..]
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foad01: Don't hide behind Breja's post. Answer these two questions:

Why haven't you released these mods?

Why aren't you releasing them on ModDB for example?
I’m not hiding behind Breja's post, you’re doing extremely poorly your investigator job.

I gave you everything you need. The answers you are looking for are in the second link I posted above. Watch the whole video then hide in shame.

Stop harassing me. This is the third time I ask you. You’re talking to a wall from now on.
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MerylUnlocked: I gave you everything you need. The answers you are looking for are in the second link I posted above. Watch the whole video then hide in shame.
I skimmed through this video and it merely states what you have written here. It doesn't answer why you aren't releasing these mods. For some reason you want GOG to release game versions with your mods. As they are ignoring you, you are now attacking the preservation program. This is bullshit.
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MerylUnlocked: (...)
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foad01: (...)
To any future moderator reading this (probably monday):
I ask you to not lock this thread because this is clearly a drop out from the other 'mod' discussion thread that went down to political reasons. I know you can't read 140+ posts to tell the difference, but Im being honest here. Thank you.


To you two, read me please:

I ask both of you to resolve your issues with one another on private and not on this thread.
This thread has nothing to do with the drama the other thread is causing and the focus of it is to sincerily ask GOG to offer us alternatives to the issues currently present with the Preservation Program.

I really don't know who started, I have not read any of your posts, but noticed that something was wrong.
Please, don't do this here because if you do moderators will be required to close this thread which has nothing to do with what you both seems to be fighting over and the preservation of original offline installers is a GOG discussion worth having on this forum.

If you're in any way mature about this, just ignore each other and let the moderators solve the issue, please and thank you.

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Bump to what seems to me as the last On Topic post made before it started here too.
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MerylUnlocked: (...)
And my personal reason for why I created this thread is explained here, since some of the on topic discussion went to "you shouldn't have created this thread, but instead send a ticket to the moderators asking refunds" or the like arguments:

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.Keys: (...)
Post edited March 30, 2025 by .Keys
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Wild.Dog: Then you say, "Why do I have to use Galaxy to download old versions of installers?" Galaxy is not a paid service, and you only need to download the game once; afterward, you can store the offline installers wherever you want. Using Galaxy to download a game is "not good!", but using a third-party tool—whose full functionality is unknown—is considered "awesome because it means I don't have to use GOG!"
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BrianSim: GOG's Unique Selling Point is in not needing a client, not in having to use one then pretending you don't. Quite honestly I find the constant Galaxy pitch tedious as well. A lot of what people are asking for here is simply the ability to "roll-back" to one offline installer so they can backup that offline installer (Galaxy's "rollback" doesn't provide you with an older offline installer to backup, it just modifies files directly to the install folder "The Steam Way").

We are arguing to improve the offline installer experience without taking anything away from Galaxy users. You're simply arguing "Well I like Galaxy so why can't everyone else just be me" non-arguments that constantly want to keep offline installers in a 2nd class state. To call the former "fear-mongering" and the latter "reasonable like me" is beyond self-parody.
So, you want them to keep an unlimited number of older versions because, "Hey, I want to play V1, not V5."
Do you think space is free?

No, the argument here is about being yellow.
Just look at the title: "Stop this madness! The Preservation Program is killing games!" GoG is doing amazing—you are not forced to use Galaxy. If you want an older version, keep the online installer safe somewhere; don't delete it. The pitch is DRM-free, and they are DRM-free.
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I might just add if we all did just open a ticket and then say nothing about the problems we see (or foresee) the only one who'd know the extent of the issue is GOG support staff, and they are not at all a transparent agency we can obtain statistical data from regarding types of problems and the numbers of users experiencing them. Basically if we don't talk about it in threads like this it'd easily get swept under the rug. If the community doesn't talk amongst ourselves, we don't know anything which goes on with GOG except the dribble of information staff decide (and are allowed) to share with us.

And please people, don't derail this thread with personal issues you have with one another or it will give GOG staff a legitimate reason to lock or delete it.
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MerylUnlocked: I mentioned that the last build of Legacy of Kain: Defiance is now playing with issues on Windows 7...
Are you referring to setup_legacy_of_kain_defiance_1.1_hotfix_(21754).exe?

I really hope not, because the only reason I stopped buying from Steam and started buying from GOG is that Valve refuses to allow games to be run on the OSes for which they are designed --- or rather, forces all games to be run on Windows 10+.

If so, and an earlier version exists, I suppose I could grudglingly install Galaxy for the first time in order to download it. That is, if Galaxy runs on Windows 7.
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Wild.Dog: So, you want them to keep an unlimited number of older versions because, "Hey, I want to play V1, not V5." Do you think space is free?
Did I say that? No. It's yet another example of this place is overrun with toxic trolls making up fake "quotes" then arguing against their own projections to inflate their own sense of self-importance...

I (and others) literally explained earlier : For games where GOG plans some form of aggressive pre-modding / pre-tweaking, to simply keep the last previous offline installer containing that previous version of the game that GOG have to host the files for anyway for Galaxy Rollback. Again I'll repeat since you seem to be a bit "slow" at grasping - the files are already on GOG's servers, just artificially gated for Galaxy users. It really shouldn't be that hard for non-trolls to grasp at this stage that outside of whatever cherry picked single sentence in the thread title you've developed a tunnel-vision obsession with, many MANY other people simply want to see offline installers improved in general for situations such as this.
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Wild.Dog: So, you want them to keep an unlimited number of older versions because, "Hey, I want to play V1, not V5."
Do you think space is free?
Have you even read the posts ITT, or at least skimmed them properly? Gog already stores one or more prior installers for galaxy users, so now more space is needed. They simply need to provide links to the older versions to web browser downloaders.
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Wild.Dog: If you want an older version, keep the online installer safe somewhere; don't delete it.
And for the customers who missed the boat in downloading the older version installers, or accidentally replaced the old version with a new one only to find out a short time later it was an unsuitable version for their hardware?
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.Keys: DA:O
What has been changed with Dragon Age Origins Patch 1.05 GOG 0.8 in comparison to the old 1.05 (A) version?

The first part of the patch changed some Galaxy related files. I think this is what several people here can safely ignore. The second part changed one single file in the bin_ship folder:

DAOrigins.exe

The MD5 value for the patched version is 3cd836b58d7f8344f3ed7ed31dfbc323

Both versions have the same file size, but they differ in a few bytes.

To undo the patch without using Galaxy you can use a hex editor and change the following values

Read the table as offset - from - to

00000126: 22 02
00000168: B3 F8
00000169: EF 74
0000016A: 9B A2
0075A130: 03 00
0075A140: 00 30
0075A141: 00 EC
0075A142: 00 B8
0075A144: 04 0E
0075A145: 00 11

This restores the old DAOrigins.exe.

The MD5 value for the old version is 2bc572eed0fcb07d6bc3e6febaa7b49e

You can use the MD5 values to check the result. After that you might want to apply the 4 GB LAA patch again.
https://ntcore.com/4gb-patch/
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Gog should change their "preservation" method and instead of forcing their edits into currently working games with the risk of breaking them in some ways (as mentionned in DAO or Witcher 1) , they should provide those edits as "Preservation Patches" in the Extras category of those games.

This way you can always install your game from the normal offline installer, and so could play the game as it was or f you wish you can manually install community patches/dxwrappers/dgvoodoo/etc... as usual or you can install the gog preservation updates if you prefer.

This way nothing is broken or without way to get back to the working offline installer
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