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Swedrami: Link to unofficial list of dead / at-risk games:
https://stopkillinggames.wiki.gg/wiki/Dead_game_list
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vv221: How many DRM-free games on this list?
I would need to see actual DRM-free games at risk before I consider signing this petition.
I should have stop reading the list at Command & Conquer: Tiberium Alliances, but i made it to Diablo Immortal
LOL! Honestly, i'm actually rooting for the permanent obliteration of this scams!

Most of the list is online crap! Microtransactions, MMOs, always online DRM, mobile trash etc.

Fun fact! Assassin’s Creed III and Assassin’s Creed Revelations are dead according to the list, yet somehow people are still playing these games.
Post edited 3 days ago by 00063
So who will be the next person for Ross to blame when this comes up short?
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00063: LOL! Honestly, i'm actually rooting for the permanent obliteration of this scams! Most of the list is online crap! Microtransactions, MMOs, always online DRM, mobile trash etc.
Same here. The whole thing is one giant "but muh' pay2win lootboxes!" circle-jerk.

"Deus Ex GO In-game purchases were not refunded", "the reboot is completely seperate from the 2013 release, with no compensation for prior purchases", "Free-to-play game with microtransactions. Western release happened on 2018-05-30. It shut down a year later, but no refunds were given."

I can't believe he genuinely thinks everyone is entitled to a full refund of every micro-transaction upon it being delisted, even for free2play games. They won't be refunded Ross, for the same reason 99% of "Freemium with In-App Purchases" mobile games are "free" for a reason - they're all shitty online-only pay2win disposable adware services by design that no amount of patching will ever turn into an owned product.

As for his "Dead Game List", even ignoring that he's equated "dead games" = "online multi-player server shutdowns and absolutely nothing outside of that bubble", it's interesting how unreliable private server reliance actually is:-

- "Primarily a single-player game without an offline mode"
- "A private server was launched in 2020, although it's unclear whether this is still online."
- "A private server was in development but appears to have been erased."
- "Fan resurrection has a very low player base"
- "A private server appears to exist, but it's in Russian"
- "An incomplete fan recreation was available at some point, however the website hosting it is also currently down."
- "No private server as required old server data was not preserved"
- "They lost the source code"
- "There were efforts to remake the game using the assets extracted from the game, but the project isn't going very fast."
- "Fan resurrection in a "controlled alpha test" since January, 2022. No updates since"
- "Requires a constant internet connection for texture streaming, no modes will be playable offline."
- "MS Flight Simulator 2020 is online-only due to its map being 2 PetaBytes large."
- "Online content is reliant on the publisher's Amazon Web Services account."
- "Fan-preservation is currently impossible due to Xbox Live hurdles"
- "There are offline game modes, but it cuts you off from the majority of the content of the games"
- "Multiple efforts to resurrect the game, but so far progress has been stalled"
- "Server emulator development abandoned."
- "Absolutely no player base."
- "The only developers who understand the code no longer work for the publishers"
- "Sort of playable but servers are known to be very unstable."
- "A fan recreation exists, but as it uses Flash Player, it seems to not be functional."
- "Single player core gameplay is mostly functional but many features do not work properly."
- "Partially preserved through several community made servers. A lot of content is missing due to licensing issues"
- "Partially working fan server emulator exists but only supports 3 players, breaking pretty much every other mode besides Co-op and isn't even consistent at that "
- "Game relies on dedicated servers for some of the games functions, while it would still be partially playable the game would be crippled without those"
- "The Game requires a Twitch account to play"
- "Many features of this game such as unlockable weapons, skins, characters and difficulty rely on online services. Some DLC already became unobtainable due to licensing issues."
- "Developer went out of business and took the game down with them."
- "Shut down in 2025 due to the indie developer not being able to comply with UK's new Online Safety Act."
- "Shut down due to the EU's GDPR"

It's like, Ross is (holds up fingers 1mm apart) this close to almost figuring out relying on DRM'd private / community servers to be some infallible magical fix that will be around forever is ludicrously naive. Or even figuring out that 95% of PC games that died / are digitally unlisted weren't online multiplayer games... As predicted, half the games with expired time-limited licensing (cars, sports teams, etc) will still be missing that content even on new community servers for legal reasons, private servers will absolutely be "populist" and relegated only to the a small % of very popular titles, and even the best modders will bump heads with "minor" things like the developer went out of business and there's literally no-one around to talk to or threaten into complying with a "sunset plan"...

Meanwhile thousands of delisted single-player games that most people want preserved far more than pay2win lootboxes don't even get a mention. The list is filled with crap-ware entries like "Fat Princess (online service)" and Fortnite is declared to be "culturally relevant" (just that one game, nothing else in the history of PC gaming is, LOL...) but No-One Lives Forever, etc, are destined to be "grand-fathered" (ie, tossed in the trash for being 'too old'), and are undeserving of even a footnote mention, perfectly summarises how much of a Red Herring this whole thing is going to turn out to be for those holding it up to be some 'saviour' of Game Preservation"...
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Bankai9212: So who will be the next person for Ross to blame when this comes up short?
Let's see: You will need 1d6. Please review this table.
1: Lobbyist groups. Darn them all to heck!
2: PirateHardware. His unseen, attic locked brother who was attempting to make video cards.
3: Adeptus Mechanicus, clearly it's the machine gods to blame!
4: Swiss Chocolate Suppliers. Clearly the solution was to be sponsored by a chocolatier, not a beer company!
5: Horrible unscrupulous youtubers: Hey, DarkSydePhil, why didn't you support SKG?
6: Pitza. Because someone screwed up on what way you're supposed to say pizza.
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Bankai9212: So who will be the next person for Ross to blame when this comes up short?
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dnovraD: Let's see: You will need 1d6. Please review this table.
1: Lobbyist groups. Darn them all to heck!
2: PirateHardware. His unseen, attic locked brother who was attempting to make video cards.
3: Adeptus Mechanicus, clearly it's the machine gods to blame!
4: Swiss Chocolate Suppliers. Clearly the solution was to be sponsored by a chocolatier, not a beer company!
5: Horrible unscrupulous youtubers: Hey, DarkSydePhil, why didn't you support SKG?
6: Pitza. Because someone screwed up on what way you're supposed to say pizza.
You are all (or at least those of you detracting really hard) going to look like such fools when this has 1 million+ valid signatures

Alright, that's all
Post edited 3 days ago by mrglanet
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mrglanet: You are all (or at least those of you detracting really hard) going to look like such fools when this has 1 million+ valid signatures

Alright, that's all
And what, pray-tell is 1 million signatures supposed to do to stem the tide of lobbyists, the massive implications this initiative has towards contract law, and more?

I'm not a detractor, per se. I think the idea is noble; quixotic. (Akin to the gallant Don Quixote charging at a stationary windmill.) Just that I think his approach is wrong, as I explained several times.
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mrglanet: You are all (or at least those of you detracting really hard) going to look like such fools when this has 1 million+ valid signatures

Alright, that's all
We don’t know yet, the signatures haven’t been verified. It looks likely that there will be over 1 million, but it’s still too early to say anything with certainty.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6vO4RIcBtE

We got even more possibilities.
Let's try to make it happen.
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LiefLayer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6vO4RIcBtE

We got even more possibilities.
Let's try to make it happen.
That is only EU no other country, Ross being who he is doesn't do much to promote it. Outside of having the intenet bully someone into oblivion.
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Swedrami: Link to unofficial list of dead / at-risk games:
https://stopkillinggames.wiki.gg/wiki/Dead_game_list
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vv221: How many DRM-free games on this list?
I would need to see actual DRM-free games at risk before I consider signing this petition.
9 games on this list is sold on GOG.

Star Wars Battlefront 2 2005 (Dev-preserved)

World in Conflict (Dev-preserved)

Medal of Honor: Allied Assault (Fan-preserved)

Dying Light (At risk)

Doom 2016 (At risk)

Gwent (At risk)

Prodeus (At risk)

Spore (At risk)

Race Driver: GRID (Dead)
Post edited 3 days ago by ClassicGamer592
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ClassicGamer592: 9 games on this list is sold on GOG.
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From this list, at least one is not DRM-free at all: Gwent can not be installed nor run without Galaxy.

I own only two games in there:
- Star Wars Battlefront 2 (2005)
- Spore

But I don’t see how they are "at risk" in any way. What is supposed to go away from these games, but would be preserved by the initiative we are discussing here?
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ClassicGamer592: Race Driver: GRID (Dead)
Race Driver: GRID isn't dead for those who have previously purchased it. The SP content at least is (to my knowledge) DRM-free and will continue to function fine for those that already own the game. The game has been de-listed from sale, which is very different to what this SKG petition is about.

(note that I own it on Zoom Platform, rather than GOG, but it was also de-listed there)
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vv221: From this list, at least one is not DRM-free at all: Gwent can not be installed nor run without Galaxy.

I own only two games in there:
- Star Wars Battlefront 2 (2005)
- Spore

But I don’t see how they are "at risk" in any way. What is supposed to go away from these games, but would be preserved by the initiative we are discussing here?
I can at least field for Spore: The massive catalogue of player made monstrosities, and possibly some other transparent multiplayer stuff.

As for how the initiative is supposed to pertain to user created content, I don't think it is, due to the explicitly stated non-retroactive nature of the [implied] law.
Post edited 3 days ago by dnovraD
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dnovraD: I can at least field for Spore: The massive catalogue of player made monstrosities, and possibly some other transparent multiplayer stuff.
I don’t think I have ever seen that in my game, creatures were always either the ones I created locally, or from "Maxis" (so I supposed these are the ones shipped with the game).

About multiplayer, was it ever available DRM-free in the first place? I did not try it because I assumed it would be DRM-gated, but I might have been wrong on that.
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dnovraD: I can at least field for Spore: The massive catalogue of player made monstrosities, and possibly some other transparent multiplayer stuff.
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vv221: I don’t think I have ever seen that in my game, creatures were always either the ones I created locally, or from "Maxis" (so I supposed these are the ones shipped with the game).

About multiplayer, was it ever available DRM-free in the first place? I did not try it because I assumed it would be DRM-gated, but I might have been wrong on that.
Don't remember clearly, it's been ages since I played the original, and I haven't played the GOG version, but didn't you have to enable this feature?

I remember so little I'm about as much sure that I've seen another player's creature as I am sure I haven't. But I think there was something you had to do to enable the silent import.